tommarker Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I'm interested in hearing how other schools treat Il Soo Sik Dae Ryun. In case there are differences in vocabulary, something like this: 1. Attacker steps back to attack. Kihaps when ready. 2. Defender in ready stance kihaps when ready to recieve. 3. Attacker attacks. 4. Defender, using one of several prescibed defenses, counters attack. In our Association, we have 90 different types of Il Soo Sik, divided into hand, foot, and hosinsul (more hapikido-like) categories. As you advance, you learn more of them. At Cho Dan, you are expected to know them all. I'm curious to see how people use these tools, if they interject any variety into them, and why. I'm prepared for long answers, and will give mine after I get back from class. I'm no longer posting here. Adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookey Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Dear Sir, We use three step, two step, one step, semi-free, and free sparring! Each phase of sparring is as important as the next...one step teaches you to cut off the attack immediately (after only one step). Generally, we are taught to use the counter that will most rapidly reach the target while at the same time inflict as much damage as possible! Just as you will learn the new movements of a pattern before learning the pattern itself, you should also practice these movements in one-step drills to ensure proper understanding of the movements usage! Furthermore, one step refers to the number of attacks prior to the counter, and not the number of counter attacks. Combination counter attacks are normally looked highly upon. After you have a firm knowledge of basic techniques, mix them up! Here are a few examples: (watch the progression) 1. Step in and to the right, Right knifehand to neck 2. Step out to the left, Right side kick to ribs 3. Step left, deliver two quick punches (from riding stance) to the ribs 4. Block punch with right-inside cresent kick, quick right side kick to sternum 5. Step in and right, straight fingertip to eyes 6. Simple arm throw (ippon seonage), do not release arm, heel stomp to ribs Use different angles and different levels of techniques in order to become more familiar with angles of attack, proper distance, control, speed, reaction time, ect. I am not positive if this is what you were looking for. Hope it was helpful! TAEKWON! Spookey Do not defend against an attacker, but rather become the attacker...Destroy the enemy!TAEKWON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta1 Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Good question- hope you get some good replies. My system teaches one steps first to a static attack, as you described. Then it is steped up to a moving or a sudden attack. Also, we have to work the same defense for different types of attacks that it can be used to defend. We are allowed, and often required, to change up the defense while staying with the same general theme and principles. We also combine one steps into techniques, or link them together so that one flows naturally to the other. The best way to explain this is to give an example: One Step- challenger, on defenders kiai, steps forward into a front stance and throws a right straight punch to defenders face. Defender steps forward into a right back stance with a right inward block to punch, left chambers at waist. Right fist chambers to left ear, then right back knuckle to right eye. Right foot steps out into a right front stance, right fist chambers at right hip, left straight punch to solar plexus. *Note: even in the basic one step, I add in a minor block, or parry. As he punches, and I step forward and chamber my right by my ear for the inward block, my left parries the punch outside, just by my left ear. The left flows on down to chamber at my hip as I hammer the inward block to his radial nerve. principles and concepts- Just some of what I get out of this one step. Steping forward and a little to the right takes you slightly off line of the punch and inside his defenses. My parry is much quicker, and will get to the punch far faster than the block. It also positions his arm for a more effective block. The inward block should move the punch just enough to disrupt the strike, hurt and control him. Chambering the right is supposed to add power to the strike, but all it really does is rob power and slow the strike down. I look at this as an elbow strike if I do it at all. The strike from a chamber is an excellent illustration of contouring, as it follows the entire arm straight to his head. Steping out into a front stance as you punch teaches you to use a stance change to add power, reach and position to the straight punch. It also gets you out of the way of the opponents head as he reacts to your strike to the solar plex. Chambering the right as you strike with the left adds torque, which adds power. My way- I have several variations of this one step, but I'll give you one of them so you can see what I do to them. This is done against a moving, padded and resisting opponent: or against an opponent who moves but knows how to dummy the attack. The opponent (O') steps into you with a right punch to the face. You step forward into a fighting stance, left close outward (vertical outward) block to punch, done as a double bone block. This brings your left up similar to a boxers guard to take the punch, moving it just past your left ear. Simultaneously with the step and block, your right contours his right into an inward forearm strike to his right mastoid. Block, strike and stance should all solidify at the same time, and your right knee checks inside his right knee. Immediately pivot into a forward stance as you right back knuckle his right jaw and replace it with a left vertical punch to his jaw. The right back knuckle comes from point of origin (does not chamber, but moves directly to strike), and is not a power shot. It is used to hide and set up the left vertical punch, which is a power strike. You have to move the right anyhow, so you might as well use the movement instead of wasteing it. As the right clears throught the strike, it flows through a vertical outward double bone block to deal with a possible left from O'. It flows down and through a sort of a high chamber, but never stops or cocks, just flows into the next strike. As you pivot back into a fighting stance, the right uppercuts his solar plex and the left checks high to deal with his head when he bends forward. Technique flow- they allow me to do this one because it just works SOOOO gooood! I flow into an American Kenpo technique, Five Swords, from the uppercut in that technique. Left foot steps back to @5:00, left sword hand to his left mastoid slips through to crane O's neck. Pivot into a fighting stance, useing the stance change to pull his head down with the crane and add power to an inward sword hand strike to the back of his neck as the crane hand releases and checks at his left shoulder. Well, you said long posts were ok. You probably forgot that me and white warlock were around when you said that, but I took it as license to expound at length! Hope that was all clear. Freedom isn't free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorba Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 When i did taekwon do, we did 3 step, 1 step and free sparring. basically, with the one step, we would stand out of reach, then the attacker would to a high section punch, and the defender would move in and perform the counter. however, in shotokan our one step (or ipon kumite) is done standing quite close, the attack is done (either high punch, mid punch, front kick, turning kick or side kick, from either leg leading) and the defender must defend and counter as the attack is being thrown. I feel that this is more realistic as in the real world you dont get the luxury of someone holding their arm out while you walk up to them and counter. are other tae kwon do's like the one i did, or are they more like the shotokan method? It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, and I am NOT a big man.Tae Kwon Do (ITF) - 1st Dan Black BeltShotokan Karate - 6th Kyu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommarker Posted June 7, 2004 Author Share Posted June 7, 2004 The way we do it sounds more or less like the Shotokan method. If you don't move, you will get hurt I'm no longer posting here. Adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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