WolverineGuy Posted April 21, 2004 Posted April 21, 2004 I'm not about to argue with a black belt in BJJ, but am I the only one in the MA community that thinks that extending your arm like that is asking for trouble? Like I said, if I see a picture, that will help a lot, but anyone that has ever tried to do that to me I have choked out. First off, thanks for the clarification JohnnyS. Second off, Wolverine, you had mentioned before that you dont get to train very often with BJJ guys, so would I be correct in assuming many of the guys you train with arent advanced guys? They are most likely doing the technique wrong, and you are probably a better grappler than they are. Its like a guys first class in BJJ and he says "hey, I learned an armbar today!" Suppose one of his friends says "that * dont work cause you just pull your arm out of it." A technique is only good if its applied correctly. Nope, I train with Judo grapplers...and believe me, they're good. The biggest difference that I saw between the two was in the way that the BJJ guys moved. It wasn't necessarily better, but it was different...different enough to throw me off of my game. That's one thing that is very hard to explain on a forum...or even with words for that matter. Those of you that have done groundfighting with both would know what I'm talking about. Like I said, I'm not going to downplay any good escape, but it's VERY hard on here to explain (especially to me, I'm a visual person) this escape in a good way. All I'm seeing is an arm going up, and either me going for an arm bar, or slipping off to the side of the raised arm, wrapping my arms around his head and arm and pulling a choke hold. Wolverine1st Dan - Kalkinodo"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a q-tip""There is no spoon."
JohnnyS Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 Fat Donkey, That won't work on someone who knows what they're doing. If you're in a fight with someone, you've got around 2-5 seconds to escape from a properly sunk in choke. I've had guys try to bend my fingers back and while it's annoying, it doesn't hurt anywhere near as much as when I bend their elbow backwards. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
Gumbi Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 You cant really escape any submission hold- once the submission is sunk in, you're already too late, and every grappler will tell you this. The key is to stop it BEFORE your opponent gets that far. For example, when you watch Abu Dhabi, Worlds, or Pan Ams, you dont see the best guys in the world escaping submissions, you see them escaping positions- they're already a step ahead of the game.
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