hobz Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 There's so many choices while you're grappling someone. Should you just wait for him to go ? Or initiate a move yourself? If you initiate what happens if you don't get it? What's more important: a Stalemate, or Risking getting submitted? I found yesterday while grappling with some people in my class that I'd go for something, it wouldn't work and I'd lose my base and I'd have to stop going for it and get back to proper posture (This was in the guard, I was in his, god sometimes it's a pain passing a guard). And sometimes while he's in my guard and I go to sweep, I unlock my ankles and then just gave him an opening. Ah the choices. Just trying to start some discussion on what everyone thinks, or if there is a set of procedure. ie: Rule #1 Don't risk it. Go at it! Rule #1: Play the game to the limit. Damn the consequences.
WolverineGuy Posted April 14, 2004 Posted April 14, 2004 Personally, a good rule of thumb is to establish your position, then either submit or move to a better one. The thing is, no matter what you do, you're going to give your opponent an opening. Don't make STUPID mistakes, but remember: nothing ventured, nothing gained. Wolverine1st Dan - Kalkinodo"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a q-tip""There is no spoon."
hobz Posted April 14, 2004 Author Posted April 14, 2004 And anyways, In a competition... nobody likes somebody who stalls right? My sensei was telling me about this one wrestler who would just put people in his guard as soon as he got enough points to be ahead, and he was big and tough and would just hold onto the guy and he couldnt get out. Rule #1: Play the game to the limit. Damn the consequences.
Reklats Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 I found yesterday while grappling with some people in my class that I'd go for something, it wouldn't work and I'd lose my base and I'd have to stop going for it and get back to proper posture (This was in the guard, I was in his, god sometimes it's a pain passing a guard). rule #1: Position before submission.
SevenStar Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 There's so many choices while you're grappling someone. Should you just wait for him to go ? Or initiate a move yourself? If you initiate what happens if you don't get it? What's more important: a Stalemate, or Risking getting submitted? the only way you're going to learn is by taking the risk - there is no room for ego in class - you can't learn that way. I found yesterday while grappling with some people in my class that I'd go for something, it wouldn't work and I'd lose my base and I'd have to stop going for it and get back to proper posture (This was in the guard, I was in his, god sometimes it's a pain passing a guard). And sometimes while he's in my guard and I go to sweep, I unlock my ankles and then just gave him an opening. Ah the choices. are you just beginning grappling? If so, don't even worry about submission right now. Seriously. Posiiton is more important. Get to the point where you are very proficient at passing the guard, very proficient at escaping a bad position, and very proficitent at mainintaining control of a good position. As the others said, position before submission. bad positioning is likely why it was so hard for you to pass the guard.
Siddhartha Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 Work on posture. Basically, you should be confident enough in your posture and your ability to hold your opponent down to not think twice about going for a sub before you start seriously sub training. If I'm going for an armbar from mount, I can't be worried about opp trying to elbow escape, I have to be confident that I can hold opp down. (not too shabby for my first post ) "Damned be he who first cries 'Hold, enough!!!'"Macbeth
hobz Posted April 15, 2004 Author Posted April 15, 2004 I've been taking Brazilian JiuJitsu for 6 months or so now. The reason the guard is so hard for me to pass is, he just rolls his butt away from my leg I stick in between his butt. But I had one of the seniors do something to me before I want to try. It involved much pain and the grinding of the elbow in my thigh Rule #1: Play the game to the limit. Damn the consequences.
kenpo4life Posted April 15, 2004 Posted April 15, 2004 HObz, That is a beginner thing. After a while, it wont even hurt anymore. If my survival means your total destruction, then so be it.
SevenStar Posted April 16, 2004 Posted April 16, 2004 keep him controlled. hold his lapels in your fist and have your fist right in his sternum. Keep your elbow down - it will look like a vertical fist punch. With your arm like this, he will not be able to sit up. from there, begin to make space. He will still be able to move his hips, so you will have to work quickly, or maybe make space without using that knee. As K4L said, the elbow in the knee will not cause unbearable pain on an experienced grappler.
WolverineGuy Posted April 16, 2004 Posted April 16, 2004 You can still leverage the legs apart with that elbow. Don't rule it out, just keep in mind you have to use your weight in order to effectively pass the guard. Wolverine1st Dan - Kalkinodo"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a q-tip""There is no spoon."
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