How or where can I learn to knife fight?

[JerryLove]

I only base my advice on MY personal expierience only. 32 years in the martial arts,20yrs as a bouncer,all over the US and 1 or 2 foriegn places where the average drunk doesn't really care for americans.

 

Nor is a blade the best method of non-lethally subduing a drunk.

I just came from a country a month ago that the law states...if your are attacked with a weapon of ANY kind and you kill that person with a weapon of ANY kind...YOU go to jail for muder!

 

Conversely, in most of the US, it's far easier to defend the use of deadly force than "malicious wounding" (which is what deliberatly slicing a ligament and permenantly crippling someone is generally deemed).

What I was actually trying to get across was;If you are going to learn about bladed weapons....learn everything you can about the human body,inside and out.Defense is not enuff...neither is attacking.

It's not enough for whom? What constitutes "enough"? Wouldn't the depends on the goal of the person learning?

 

How many soldiers learning to fire a rifle learn "the human body, inside and out"? Have they, therefore, not learned "enough"?

Why should I slice an artery when I can hit a ligament and get the same results and let the guy go home to his kids?

 

Other than the above mentioned legal issue? I like tendons... though a great number are right next to arteries. I'm not sure I consider permenant, crippling wounds a kinder act.

as for "stabbing to wound"...if all a person knows how to do is kill....I wouldn't recommend them to teach to anyone! THAT is a dangerous person to learn from!

I would think "kinfe fighting" and "dangerous" were pretty synonymous.

Maybe I come across better in person? This is the first forum I have ever been involved with............hhhmmm......

 

I apologise to those I have offended.

 

Always a danger of text. For example, right now I have this image of a 20-year bouncer pulling knives on drunks (a tone you've set for me in this post). Though it would be incorrect to say I was offended... more like worried. Whenever someone takes the use of a weapon as anything other than deadly serious... when they seem to rationalize tendon severing as "he gets to go home"... I'm worried. But perhaps you do come across to me differently in text.

[Bammx2]

lets dispell your "image" of a 20 year bouncer.

 

I happened to be licensed,trained and bonded to run my own nite club security business in great britain.

 

I was the most highly regarded "doorman"(since they are not called bouncers there) in all of Buckinghamshire county...not for violence,but for being the most polite.

 

I never carried anything on the door there and had to supervise rather large crews who worked under me and had to make sure they could do the job without weapons of any kind.

 

We had to be totally proffesional.

 

Unlike america,you have no training,no regulation,no background checks and you can grab whatever you think you need.

 

Since MOST people have never been in a situation where they had to use deadly force.....and I don't mean "bouncers" only; they need to rethink a few things.

 

%90 percent of all people who pull knives have no idea what they are doing and aren't trying to kill the other person.

 

I have been in confrontations against people who have had knives and still came out on top with out the use of the knife in my pocket.....and amazingly enuff,I have had, on 4 seperate occasions,people come back and apologise AND thank me for doing what I did to end the situation.

 

On a pesonal note....

 

I was extremely annoyed when I looked back on this subject and realised that it looked like I was singled out for my views with all the other lame advice on the subject...but they have the right to thier opinions.

 

Anyone can learn from anyone.

 

But then I thought about it....if you have such strong opinions about my advice,if ever given the chance,I would love a debate in person just to see what you had to offer since text is so very limiting.

 

Until you can sit in person to justify what your opions and techniques are...this is all we have.

 

Since that is most likely to never happen....I am still curious.

 

And as you say...you come across different in text as well.

 

To me; you sound like killing someone is the ONLY answer....in text.

 

But because it is so limiting.....I am not judging.

 

I may not like what you have to say on the subject,but I respect your right to say it and would be very interested in knowing what you base your personal opinions on.

 

On a ligher note....

 

If you want to read a good book on a martial artists life in the "bouncers" world...I recommend "Watch My Back" by Geoff Thompson.

 

He is co-founder of the British Combat Assoc.

 

It is a realy interesting book.

[ZR440]

As long as the discussion remains respectful there's nothing wrong with stating opinions here. Everyone will have their own philosophical perspective on injuring another person. That's fine. What's important is the preservation of one's own life in a crisis. How that is done is up to them, as long as it's done, right?

[JerryLove]

You seem to continue to make the topic about you and your qualificatoins rather than your actual advice . I'm sorry that you feel singled out, and I'm sure everyone here apprriciates your sincere advice. But no amount of complaining about your treatment is going to cause a change of people's opinion... that is accomplished in a discussion through explanation and support of a position.

 

I am a little unclear on how "I never carried anything on the door" and "I [...] came out on top with out the use of the knife in my pocket". Are you relating to a large number of people who attacked you with knives when you were not working a door, or do you not consider the knife in your pocket "anything"?

 

I am, of course, familiar with Geoff Thompson, and have a collection of articles from him. As of yet, I have not started adding his books/tapes to my collection (poverty, and IRL study taes priority), but I'm happy to look it up.

Unlike america,you have no training,no regulation,no background checks and you can grab whatever you think you need.

This is not a fair characterization of all clubs and their bouncers.

[delta1]

"When two tigers fight, one is certain to be maimed, and one to die." --

 

Applies to two knife fighters.

[Bammx2]

okeedokee.

[searcher]

Anyone have any other places that they consider to be good at learning or perfecting knife skills? Afterall, I thought that is what this thread was started for and not for comparing battle scars.

[searcher]

Anyone have any other places that they consider to be good at learning or perfecting knife skills? Afterall, I thought that is what this thread was started for and not for comparing battle scars.