MMA

[granmasterchen]

lets face it you're all wrong martial arts came from an advanced alien species that bought a martial arts book at their local alien wal mart and left it on earth by chance, an animal tore into and the pages scattered to different areas of the world that is why we all have different martial arts in different ancient cultures and they all can relate to each other in a way yet are still different.....good thing those pages were waterproof......

[AndrewGreen]

YES!!!!

 

Finally someone who knows the truth!

[Drunken Monkey]

that is one possible debate i guess....

[granmasterchen]

i'll agree with both views .....

 

many of the oriental arts originated with chinese influence and kung fu......

 

alot of the european arts came from the egyptians, the greece and romans.....

 

but what most people associate with martial arts today has been strongly influenced by ancient chinese travelers........thats how they spread, a japanese traveler here a chinese there, a korean here and there until they became more popular....and of course i didnt forget the indians either, buddidharma i believe was his name, made a big change for martial arts way back then....so neither of you are wrong , you are both right, but just remember that the original knowledge came from outerspace...the aliens are behind it all!!!!

 

does it really matter exactly where the very first part of martial arts was started at????

 

i understand the debate of the chinese influence....but we discussed that....so all is good right?

[Drunken Monkey]

from what i gather the martial arts of the areas (different countires) that surround the old silk road are all very very similar...

 

hmm, not sure why i felt i had to share that.

 

sorry.

[Iron Arahat]

Myth and Mystique are what keeps many schools open.

 

Not much different by the than some stuff that keeps schools open, that claim we don't train a "style", or use sporting events to claim superiority.

[AndrewGreen]

Yeah, who would believe a football team that claimed to be good cause they one that Superbowl...

 

Or a runner that said he was fast cause he had an olympic medal...

 

I also think you miss "no style" meaning, but that is ok.

 

Think of it as "Not having stylistic limitations" and you'll be better off.

[Drunken Monkey]

hmm, i'm not sure if the sports comparisons are that valid.

 

after all, the guys who are part of the events mentioned (olympics+superbowl) are already highly trained in their specific fields.

 

again, it only seems to serve in pointing out that it is your training and not the style that determines whether or not you are good.

 

and yes, the 'stylistic' limitations (or limited perception of style) is one thing that can hinder a lot of people no matter what art they do.

 

a bjj guy can get too much into the ground-fighting part cos it works in comps.

 

the traditional guy can put too much faith in their stand-up.

 

that sounded a bit wrong....

 

anyway.

 

like i have said many many times before.

 

not much new is being said here.

 

and i would say that it isn't myth and mystic that keeps schools open.

 

i think it is blind faith: open mind as opposed to rational mind.

 

i have said somewhere here on another thread that i believe that the styles we have today work.

 

the only factor that affects their effectiveness is how we train in them.

 

how many of us traditional guys really can say that we train like how they did in the old days?

 

how many of us test ourselves in the same way as they did in the old days?

 

my point was that we don't need to, so we don't.

 

as a result, our martial ability has declined.

 

for me i see it as

 

i) a scapegoat for guys who get beat up (my style wasn't as good)

 

ii) something for others to beat on (your style is not good).

[White Warlock]

Yeah, who would believe a football team that claimed to be good cause they one that Superbowl...

 

Or a runner that said he was fast cause he had an olympic medal...

It can also be pointed out that a football player trains for a sport... as does the runner. The 'endgoal' is to win the Superbowl, or obtain a medal in the Olympics.

 

While some martial arts may be geared toward sport, that is not the endgoal, therefore the analogy posed is not comparable.

[Iron Arahat]

The football and runner analogy, they are all bound a defined set of rules, and are limited by such. Winning a medal means that your work well within the confines of a 'game'.

 

A ski race is a timed, the fastest time win, only if you follow the course and hit all the gates. You may get down the hill in the fastest time using a more creative route, but will recieve a DNF, as you worked outside the confines of the game.

 

UFC also has confines and rules that effect the outcomes. Some promotions ban kicks to downed opponents, elbow strikes from certain angles, strikes to the back of the head, eyegouging, fish hooks, finger breaking, and small joint manipulation. Also they have rounds and refees, and so on.

 

As for not having "Not having stylistic limitations" there are always limitations, no matter what you train. This is a fallicy and a myth that the MMA likes to perpetuate, along with this unreal concept that they have all that because the are not "bound by a style" that this makes them better fighters. They are still limited by the tools and knowledge supplied through training.