Jiu Jitsu in actual combat

[SevenStar]

not because of the potential to attack from inside the guard. If the guy inside the guard is doing what he should be, then he is postured up. In that instance, yes, it is neutral, as neither guy can submit the other.

[Treebranch]

It's good to know what to do when you are on the ground with someone. I combat time is of the essence and there is not much time and there are weapons at your disposal. I don't feel BJJ would be the most effective grappling art for actually combat. Sure it has a lot to offer especially conceptually, but the training would have to be changed and more realistic scenarios would have to be employed. I think BJJ relies totally on being on the ground and staying upright isn't a high priority in that art. I think going to the ground as a form of attack in a real situation can be reckless. Being able to fight on your feet is absolutely essential in a combat situation. You need to be able to move and evade attacks from more than one person. It is very difficult to do that when you are on your back or on the ground tied up with someone. If you really think about it, there is no such thing as a submission in combat. Someone trying to out skill you is entirely different than someone that is trying to kill you.

[Venezolano]

You always say the same B.S...

 

It makes me laugh that there are still some people who guess that there is a style that can deal with multiple attackers.

[WolverineGuy]

God, not this argument again...

[SevenStar]

*sigh*

 

1. we've had this debate before, so I'll make it short:

 

-bjj does adress standup grappling

 

-bjj has plenty of street applicable ground defense

 

-you are not impossible to takedown, so you better know ho to get back up efficiently

 

- those submissions are breaks, and yes they happen in competition frequently when people don't tap

 

-an mma guy probably stands a better chance than a budo taijutsu guy in an altercation due to the nature of his training.

[SevenStar]

I've got several more points, but this has already been done to death. Check out Royce's self defense book, and that will cover some of the SD stuff we cover in bjj. If you notice, the majority of it is standing.

[Treebranch]

-an mma guy probably stands a better chance than a budo taijutsu guy in an altercation due to the nature of his training.

 

That depends on the nature of the altercation and the practitioner. There are Budo Taijutsu dojos out there that train hard and do randori. The training methods for MMA's I agree for the most part are more rigorous, but how they approach a fight is in the competitive spirit which can be detremental against the wrong person. There's far more to combat then just being strong and powerful. Personally I'd rather be the blade that becomes sharper over time than the one that constantly dulls. Most MMA's train for sport and do very little to no weapons training, therefore being able to handle multiple opponents is foreign to most of you. It's not about winning in the sense of defeating multiple opponents, it's surviving and evading. Doing what it takes to survive at all costs. So in combat you'd better know how to kill when you need to and do it fast. Also the physical conditioning that is envolved is the responsibility of the practitioner not the Dojo. So I agree you will see MMA's that are in generally better shape than Combat MA's, but that means very little when anything goes, I mean anything. So basically I really don't feel BJJ would be good in actual combat and there are better suited arts for that purpose. Is BJJ good? Sure, It's brilliant. For Combat? No, absolutely not.

 

To some of you this may sound like B.S. Things that are hard to comprehend because of a lack of knowledge always sound like B.S., even to me. So I don't blame anyone for there skepticism. All I have to say is there's so much more to Budo Taijutsu than meets the eye. Unless you emerse yourself in it you won't understand it. I think the concepts in these types of arts can help improve a lot of the techniques that are used in competitive fighting, but that's another story entirely.

[Venezolano]

When will these people keep away from ninjas movies? LOL!...

 

PD: Watching too many Power Ranger's chapters is bad for health

[White Warlock]

There's merit on both sides. Consider this... BJJ emphasizes groundwork, regardless of whatever else it teaches. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it 'overemphasizes' groundwork. The strength in its application, and the tendency toward 'going to the ground' is reinforced... by default. This is important to recognize, just as it is important to recognize that the practice of 'point contact' sparring can get you in trouble, if you overemphasize it.

 

On the other hand, BJJ and most MMA training regimens provide ample 'hands-on' experience and work great for those practitioners that aren't self-motivated. I.e., those that need regular sparring and/or competition in order to maintain their edge.

 

But, on one other hand, sport is sport, regardless of the rationale behind it. There are rules and i discussed this in another thread the very real difference in fighting on a smooth-surfaced and padded mat from within a cage or against the ropes, as opposed to fighting someone in the street, with uneven surfaces, sand, dirt, a myriad of weapons, and the ever-present threat of 'hidden' opposition within the crowd of onlookers.

 

Last note. Venezolano... chill. You're being far too insulting. The fact of the matter is, there are systems that instruct in 'how' to handle multiple adversaries and some even practice these strategies regularly. To think that the end-all of things is one-on-one, is just as shortsighted as thinking bjj has no place in the street. Keep an open mind and remember that the reason so many systems exist is because there is so much to cover in so short a lifespan.

 

Each system emphasizes something different, and each offers its unique 'approach,' but it is ultimately the individual that determines the outcome of a confrontation.

[Treebranch]

Thanks for that White Warlock very well put.

 

Venezolano it is you that has been influenced by Ninja movies. I have made no metion of Ninjutsu here and that is a very small part of Budo Taijutsu. I think you like living in the safe little world of your Dojo with the confort of the soft little mats to break your fall. Come visit us at Muzosa in New York or L.A. and teach us a few things. By the comments you make it seems that you could use some extensive mental training.