KarateDave Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Intensity, yes...intent to hurt or overpower, no. I agree 100%, I think we're defining intimidation differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 intimidation referes to fear. why would you want your sparring partner fear you? i can see that if a relatively inexperienced guy might fear the act of sparring and if paired with a senior student this fear is increased but it isn't really the senior guy who is the source of the intimidation. there seems to be a confusion between going lightly against each other during sparring and not doing moves properly. i can use techniques EXACTLY as i would in a confrontation, the only difference is that if sparring against a partner, i would hold back on the level on impact (not drive in, just make contact) of strikes. (i should point out that in wing chun as i was taught, all strikes are seen in two stages - contact then finish so it's not like we don't train to hit 'completely') post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotegashiNeo Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Anyone who tries to intimidate forgets that a true warrior looks beyond the mask into the very heart of the person. Intimidation is for those lacking in skill who try to get an extra edge anywhere they can get it Kisshu fushin oni te hotoke kokoro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Warlock Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Good point kotegashiNeo. Intimidation gets you only so far... but... so far just happens to be the 'vast majority' of confrontations. Still, we continue our studies in the arts to go beyond just your average encounter. I think it is important to develop oneself to the point that 'intimidation' doesn't work... and if not exposed to people occasionally attempting to intimidate, an experience is lost. My thought is... intimidate to teach your partner how not to be intimidated. Don't intimidate just to beat him. Intimidation isn't that big of a skill. In truth, it's just a bluff. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarateDave Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 White Warlock summed up my feelings on the matter in words much better than I was able to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reklats Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Ok guys... by no mercy I didn't mean kill them if they lose. You'll do a person worse than you a disservice by just playing with them rather than going full go. I wouldn't want the people who are much better than me to lower their level to just above mine, I'd rather get my butt kicked and learn from it. I haven't had my lungs torn out yet either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Warlock Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Hehe, i was wondering when you would respond. I wouldn't want the people who are much better than me to lower their level to just above mine, I'd rather get my butt kicked and learn from it. I haven't had my lungs torn out yet either... hehe, well... i gotta tell you. I pretty much have to tone down to a dull roar when i spar and i'm sure there are plenty of others out there that fall into the same boat. The fact is, when you're working with someone who is not as skilled as you, lowering your level to just above theirs is a necessity. You don't learn much if you take them full over (being that you can scope out thier weaknesses quite easily, and therein exploit those weaknesses) and you don't allow them to learn anything if you eat them up and spit them out. Worse, you'll likely cause them to be gunshy. Possibly even cause them to quit in despair.You'll do a person worse than you a disservice by just playing with them rather than going full go.It is far more a disservice to overwhelm them and kick their butt than it is to allow them to be tested... to push them to 'thier' limits. Making ground beef out of someone's face doesn't teach them anything about martial arts, although it can teach them quite a bit about the types of meals served in the hospital. Rek, i'm not sure we're going to come to an agreement here. This is a training concept i was taught long ago (during my childhood) when i was in Golden Gloves. I do remember how it felt to always need to go 'all out,' just to come out even in a sparring match... but pushing yourself to extremes is far more likely to accentuate your flaws, than it is to bring out your strengths. And, although it is good to recognize your flaws, so you can work them out... being on the edge of the ropes is not the way. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 when i spar with a 'lower' skilled person, i am testing them. likewise when i am sparring with someone better than me, i am the one being tested. this isn't being 'played' with. rather, this is being tested to your limit by someone who should be able to find it and just abut edge you over; to keep you working. the worst thing is for the more experienced guy to force the inexperienced to curl into a ball. no one can learn like that. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reklats Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Well, this might also come down to what art we're training in. I do jiu-jitsu, and you can "kick someones *" without hurting them in the least, and they can still work on an important part of their game. (countering submissions) Even if I get totally dominated by someone, I learn which of my moves or defenses work better/worse, and I might pick up a new trick, or learn how to avoid a sub I've never seen before. Plus, if they tap me in 1 minute its not like we can't just get up and start over again 10 more times. I can see how things might be different for a striking art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 well, there is that too... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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