Bretty101 Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 I'm not hijacking the Sinewave thread but going off on a tangent!... I have had a bit of a revelation this evening! Bright flashing lights everything I kinda get it now (I'm not a sinewavey person). I was talking to a sinewavey friend and asking him to explain it. Basically We both do the up/down thing similar, the hip twist and everything, but here is the major difference!!... When he completes a move he does the block solidly then instantaneously relaxes. This gives the sloppy bouncey look i hate. Basically he says if you remain tense after landing the block you are wasting/using unnecessary energy. Whereas I do the block and hold it solidly for a fraction of a second before moving onto my next block. Now heres the question.. Which is 'right'? 1. To land the block solidly (solid stance and blocking arm) and hold until you move into your next stance/block. or 2. Land the block solidly then instantaneously relax your stance and blocking arm saving energy? Bretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookey Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Solid block and then relax! Not only does it save energy...it also keeps you from being tightened in the event you must rapidly change positions...a relaxed motion is faster than a contracted motion! I dont care how it looks...its the effect...want pretty...TAKE DANCE! TAEKWON! Spookey Do not defend against an attacker, but rather become the attacker...Destroy the enemy!TAEKWON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equaninimus Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Ideally one should tense only at the moment of impact (see the all important "Orange Book" by Nakayama.), however, relaxing doesn't mean going all jello-like as I have seen some of the bouncy people do. There have always been Starkadders at Cold Comfort Farm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Warlock Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Agree with Equaninimus. Bretty101, the fraction of a second pause is a 'movie/stunt' thing that many practitioners have, unfortunately, adopted and it is not something you should continue to practice. It instills a hesitation to change-up. I.e., it's not as much about conserving energy, as it is about efficiency. When in doubt, use common sense. If you are in a life-threatening situation, would you rather look pretty in a pose, or change to meet the impact-opportunity presented? "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bretty101 Posted February 19, 2004 Author Share Posted February 19, 2004 When you say "Pretty" and "dance" are you refering to springy bouncey blocks or the solid ones? I'm from a shotokan background and have always believed in being solid and strong. One shot one kill. I don't think patterns are designed to represent life threatening situations or really use much common sense. Self defence and sparring are far more realistic. I see patterns as an exercise for power and coordination, not a dance or something pretty. one shot one kill - back to the roots! Bretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Warlock Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I don't think patterns are designed to represent life threatening situations or really use much common sense. I'm not inclined to enter into an argument with you. I'll state what my experience has been, and that is... 'everything' in the martial arts repertoire of studies is designed to strengthen your ability to survive an encounter, by enforcing one thing or another. If it doesn't look as such, it's likely being done, or taught, incorrectly or it's just plain garbage tossed out by some wannabe. Except in some Chinese systems (where an instructor would often, and intentionally, leave out specific elements to a form or practice), it is exceedingly rare to be instructed to study one thing that is designed to strengthen one aspect of study, while also practicing a residual something that is counter-productive.Self defense and sparring are far more realistic.And yet still thousands of miles away from 'real.' This reminds me of the age-old arguments about karate katas. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjanurse Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I'm from a shotokan background and have always believed in being solid and strong. One shot one kill. Bretty Being from a Shotokan background you must appreciate what your friend is saying. Relaxation and explosion are key to effective striking/blocking and you must release the energy into your target before it rebounds-hence the relaxation after impact. Over relaxation does look "floppy" and "bouncy" but I am not sure that it has any impact on the technique's efficiency. Also, constant tension wastes energy so a "happy medium" should be attempted. "A Black Belt is only the beginning."Heidi-A student of the artsTae Kwon Do,Shotokan,Ju Jitsu,Modern Arnishttp://the100info.tumblr.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookey Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Dear All, In regards to the question am I bouncey or solid...BOTH...I do the Chang Hon Hyungs (Tuls) with minimal sinewave. Enough to maximize my mass (I also hip twist or jerk) but I do not stand on my tip toes between each motion as I have seen some do...XTRA BOUNCEY! TAEKWON! Spookey Do not defend against an attacker, but rather become the attacker...Destroy the enemy!TAEKWON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bretty101 Posted February 26, 2004 Author Share Posted February 26, 2004 So do you land the block/strike then let your arms and legs spring to their relaxed positions? Or do you hold the position? I hold the position, Not over tense or rigid but not completely relaxed. Bretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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