Stay Tuned Wing Chun Guys.

[kotegashiNeo]

I'm sure the wing chun guy will win I mean it is a completely superior art just ask any wing chun practioner they'll tell you. As for excuses why is no one making up reasons why this unfair for the karate guy. It is probably because everyone expects the wing chun guy to lose and are trying to save face already. With exception to you drunken monkey you have faith in your system and you realize that the rules are the same for both fighters. It handicapps both fighters, its not like a judoka vs a kickboxer and removing all ground fighting. I think it will be a interesting carnival but in the end it will be the fighter that wins the fight not the style.

[kle1n]

lets not discuss what/who is better. lets just hope for a nice entertaining fight

[Drunken Monkey]

it's not about having faith in the style.

 

i just don't see how, when you are fully aware of what the rules are (and hence able to train for tem), would hamper the way you fight.

 

is it that difficult for a skilled martial artist to say to himself, 'ok, can't use elbows' and then not use elbows?

 

after all, not all thai fights allow elbows but most thai fighters are probably better with them than most wing chun guys.

 

they can do it, why can't we?

 

if anything, rules makes the fights more interesting because if it does limit you from your 'normal' moves, then you have to fight even better than you would normally would.

 

it's all fine and dandy saying that wing chun develops your' autopilot' and that on the street, you are trained to use elbows and whatever to take the pponent down which you can't do in the ring.

 

BUT

 

that suggests that you are no longer in control of the fight and it suggests that your brain is no longer active during the fight.

 

anyway.

 

don't bite my head off.

 

just trying to explain myself.

 

like i said, before, the most interesting thing for me, is how the wing chun guy will deal with the kicks.

 

and how his stance/stepping will hold.

[pvwingchun]

if i've entered elbow range, then you're probably already forced to go backwards

Exactly and I never back up. At 6'1" 220 I can usually apply the principle of everything moves forward, especially me, to my advantage and I like to step into elbow range, most people are not comfortable when you get that close and will back up and when they start moving backwards...........

the wing chun guy will win I mean it is a completely superior art

Well you got the completely superior thing right anyway.....

 

I have complete faith in my art and make no excuses for anything or anyone and realize the rules are the same for both fighters, so assume nothing. I am simply saying that I cannot understand why WC people feel the need to get in the ring to prove their art when there is no need to do so. I also believe that the rules hamper ones ability to do proper Wing Chun therefore what you see in the ring will not be WC but a WC guy fighting under boxing rules. And you are right the best fighter will win, not the best art because no matter how good you are there is always someone better no matter what they practice and their is always the lucky punch.

[pvwingchun]

I simply see no need to apply rules to WC when one of the major principles is, there are no rules in a fight. I see no reason to put it in the ring to try and prove that it works there. It goes to the way we train people, we train them to survive, not get in the ring and fight because we believe that is not WC or where it belongs.

[Drunken Monkey]

well, everyone not in wing chun would be uncomfortable.

 

 

hehe, we could go around in circles about this forever can't we...

 

like i said, i'm a small guy.

 

wing chun for me is not going the be same as wing chun for you.

 

that's probably where our differences come from; purely because i have to do things differently to you.

[sano]

i hope he wins i'm sick of this bjj is the best style in the world while karate, kung fu, etc. sucks. he should proceed to k -1 mixed martial arts venue after he wins so he can teach them a lesson.

[TJS]

i hope he wins i'm sick of this bjj is the best style in the world while karate, kung fu, etc. sucks. he should proceed to k -1 mixed martial arts venue after he wins so he can teach them a lesson.

 

or not.

[White Warlock]

Silly arguments and ego bouncing going on here.

 

When in doubt, look at things with a reasoned mind. In this case, wing chun techniques consider far more hand, wrist, and forearm use. Being forced to wear bulky boxing gloves takes away many of their more common control and entry techniques. And, not being able to use thier elbows is a significant limiter.

 

You really must consider the rules of a tournament, for they 'do' favor one system over another. K-1 competitions were created to give 'strikers' a reasonable chance in a competition, and it was created after grappling systems were showing irrefutable dominance in the UFCs. In a way, it was born due to the need for 'saving face' (my opinion, mind you).

 

Grapplers wouldn't stand a chance in a K-1 competition, and yet... when allowed to perform to their strengths, as was the case in the early UFCs, grapplers dominated.

 

So, please, don't try to argue that rules don't matter, or that they don't cater to a set fighting style. They do... all rules do. All rules limit one system or another, some moreso than others.

I think it will be a interesting carnival but in the end it will be the fighter that wins the fight not the style.

Agreed. If the wing chun practitioner believes he will be far too limited by the rules set forth in the competition, then he shouldn't compete in it.

 

Hell, that's why i stopped competing. The majority of rules exist to limit injuries, but many rules are included-in to target the competition's focus. Whether it be a kick count, double point rule, or no-pull rule, 'additional' rules set the filter of who enters and what is presented in the ring. If someone wishes to enter, despite the filter, it is their choice... foolish or otherwise.

[TJS]

You really must consider the rules of a tournament, for they 'do' favor one system over another. K-1 competitions were created to give 'strikers' a reasonable chance in a competition, and it was created after grappling systems were showing irrefutable dominance in the UFCs. In a way, it was born due to the need for 'saving face' (my opinion, mind you).

 

Um yea...obviously it for Striking not grappling so a grappler would not do well. It was created so people could see various standup stlyes compete against each other....There have been grappling tournaments for a long time and obviously a striker wouldent do well in one of those.