defense against a spin kick

[delta1]

Spinning hook kicks are generally more effective as a sweep. The best defense is to either move outside the arc, or, better yet, move inside and attack his base (he only has 1/2 a base to begin with, so it is easy to take out). A simultaneouse assault on his exposed back is iceing on the cake!

 

One thing to watch out for when moving in- the initial movement of the spinning back kick is the same as for the spinning hook. You need to get in as soon as you see the kick developing so you don't walk into a back kick. Another option is to move in at an oblique to the side away from the kick and attack his base from the side with kicks. You also may be able to trap his arm and manipulate him, or reach him with strikes at the same time. But a good spinner will abort and move away, so don't count on it. I prefer to get in, right up the middle- occupy his space and dominate him. It is a wonderful thing to have someones back, their ballance, and their space all at the same time! One of those moments to cherish!

[aes]

Spinning hook kicks are generally more effective as a sweep. The best defense is to either move outside the arc, or, better yet, move inside and attack his base (he only has 1/2 a base to begin with, so it is easy to take out). A simultaneouse assault on his exposed back is iceing on the cake!

 

One thing to watch out for when moving in- the initial movement of the spinning back kick is the same as for the spinning hook. You need to get in as soon as you see the kick developing so you don't walk into a back kick. Another option is to move in at an oblique to the side away from the kick and attack his base from the side with kicks. You also may be able to trap his arm and manipulate him, or reach him with strikes at the same time. But a good spinner will abort and move away, so don't count on it. I prefer to get in, right up the middle- occupy his space and dominate him. It is a wonderful thing to have someones back, their ballance, and their space all at the same time! One of those moments to cherish!

 

Thanks for the tips. I am not supposed to attack the back of my opponenets, but I can see how getting in and throwing off their balance along with a good close in attack would work.

 

I have sparring tonight and the guy that likes to do spin kicks is going to be there, so will see if I can react and counter with these tips.

 

Thanks

[delta1]

I am not supposed to attack the back of my opponenets, but I can see how getting in and throwing off their balance along with a good close in attack would work.

 

In class, grab his ghi at your target points for strikes. You get to practice targeting, while it is safer but still lets him know he's been had!

[aes]

Well spin kick dude was not at sparring tonight, but a new tactic was used that I wasn't sure how to counter.

 

Stepping on my lead foot. This kept stopping me from countering with a kick and throwing me off balance. I think lunging into him, or using my stronger than average legs to do a bit of a leg sweep might have been effective but it is too late now. I will have to try this next week

[shotochem]

Spinning hook kicks are generally more effective as a sweep. The best defense is to either move outside the arc, or, better yet, move inside and attack his base (he only has 1/2 a base to begin with, so it is easy to take out). A simultaneouse assault on his exposed back is iceing on the cake!

 

One thing to watch out for when moving in- the initial movement of the spinning back kick is the same as for the spinning hook. You need to get in as soon as you see the kick developing so you don't walk into a back kick.

 

Good advice. I also found that moving in and jamming in tight to be quite effective. Its all about timing.

 

Another variation is this guy that drives me crazy with a skipping step into a front leg hook kick which if you commit too quickly on he will convert into a nasty side thrust kick to the ribs. OR the other way around with the side kick being pulleed back and him sweeping back with a hook kick to the head. I only had to get hit with that one once to watch out for it.

 

Im still working on the hook to side version. Im up to stopping it to 75% of the time up from 0% 1 month ago.

 

Oh well, at least he not whacking me in the head anymore.........

[delta1]

Stepping on my lead foot. This kept stopping me from countering with a kick and throwing me off balance. I think lunging into him, or using my stronger than average legs to do a bit of a leg sweep might have been effective ...

 

Trapping the lead foot is so natural a part of Kenpo that most of us don't even think about it! But I doubt you'll be able to lunge into him without dammaging your knee, as a knee check is an integral part of this trap. Your best defense against this technique is to stay mobile. Once he has you, defend and use your strength to pull out of it. Don't just stand there- if he rolls forward you are in a hurt. I like to step through behind into a twist, which puts some pressure on his traped knee and puts me to the side where I can control his near arm, while his far arm is inneffective. From there, I have a lot of options, depending on how he reacts and what I feel like doing to him.

[delta1]

Another variation is this guy that drives me crazy with a skipping step into a front leg hook kick which if you commit too quickly on he will convert into a nasty side thrust kick to the ribs. OR the other way around with the side kick being pulleed back and him sweeping back with a hook kick to the head. I only had to get hit with that one once to watch out for it.

 

Sounds nasty! I'd try steping back at an oblique, about 45' away from the kick. If he doesn't abort, hit the leg with a 45' back angled hammerfist/block, or leg check for a low kick, and force him to plant where you want him, then move in and jam/counter attack quick and hard. After you get the timeing down, you might try to move in immediately and jam. But that can be tough against an experienced kicker who can change things up in mid movement. My TKD class has a couple that are like that, one in particular (the senior instructor), and I generally move outside at 45' against him. His kicks tend to either hurt or move you, or both!

[JerryLove]

Thanks for the tips. I am not supposed to attack the back of my opponenets, but I can see how getting in and throwing off their balance along with a good close in attack would work.

 

Just so long as no one considers this "fighting training" then.

Another variation is this guy that drives me crazy with a skipping step into a front leg hook kick which if you commit too quickly on he will convert into a nasty side thrust kick to the ribs.

 

When he starts, kick like yor kicking a football right up his middle. You might want to lever back rather than lean into it though (just in case your timing is really poor and he gets a foot up). You'll likely catch either his supporting leg or his groin (unless he's not closed in enought for his own kick to reach.

OR the other way around with the side kick being pulleed back and him sweeping back with a hook kick to the head.

Same response works... it's really hard for him to continue to deliver anything with your body-weight going into his one-legged support structure.

[shotochem]

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When he starts, kick like yor kicking a football right up his middle. You might want to lever back rather than lean into it though (just in case your timing is really poor and he gets a foot up). You'll likely catch either his supporting leg or his groin (unless he's not closed in enought for his own kick to reach.

OR the other way around with the side kick being pulleed back and him sweeping back with a hook kick to the head.

Same response works... it's really hard for him to continue to deliver anything with your body-weight going into his one-legged support structure.

 

LOL!!! Thats a great street technique. I'm not allowed to to a groin shot or attack the support leg in that manner. However, you got me thinking....

 

I am allowed to sweep that back leg......

[The Saint]

Try to time a side kick as soon as he/she comes around. If this doesn't work for me I usally move in and jam their leg.