Ox Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 My school is a Moo Duk Kwan Tae Kwon Do school.We do the ITF forms but with out the sinewave.We have a lot of twist in the movements but we try to remain level through out the forms.I have been told that is the way GM Hee Il Cho shows them in his books.Does anyone else do them this way.Our school is under GM Ju Hun Kim based in Charlotte N.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookey Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Sir, The Chang Hon Tuls (ITF patterns) were introduced far before the theory of sinewave! Many "old school" instructors are masters from before sinewave. I am now incorporating sinewave in my hyungs however, I am not far removed from the original practice! Do you all use 20 or 24 patterns and does 2nd dan practice Kodang or Juche (some other changes made since the creation of our hyung set! Furthermore, I have found sinewave to be a natural motion which is (at a beginner level) exagerated to show ones understanding of the up and down motion of the technique...however, in the more advanced practitioners it is much more subtle. Also, when using sinewave (natural amounts) it feels to me to be more asthetic and smooth. For instance it is natural to lift your hips from a deep stance to standing and equally natural to lower your hips from standing into a stance! By using the knee as in every other activity (walking, running, ect.) you are subconsciencly creating a sinewave. I await your responce as to the number of patterns you have and which 2nd dan pattern your instructor teaches! TAEKWON!. Spookey Do not defend against an attacker, but rather become the attacker...Destroy the enemy!TAEKWON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 Here is a link to one of Gm Kim's schools It has a list of forms per rank.It shows Po-eun as the second Dan form.http://www.theweightclub.com/kimschooloftaekwondo/aboutTKD.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karatekid1975 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 My school is a Moo Duk Kwan Tae Kwon Do school.We do the ITF forms but with out the sinewave.We have a lot of twist in the movements but we try to remain level through out the forms.I have been told that is the way GM Hee Il Cho shows them in his books.Does anyone else do them this way.Our school is under GM Ju Hun Kim based in Charlotte N.C. We do TKD MDK also. But we do Moo Duk Kwan forms (except for color belts). Do you do Moo Duk Kwan forms as well as ITF ones after BB? Laurie F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommarker Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 yeah... that is a little odd But the MDK way would be to keep your height level and generate a great deal of your power from hip rotation and thrust from your back leg. I'm no longer posting here. Adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookey Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Ox, I viewed the site. The forms are the same as the ITF with a few exeptions! 1.Bai-Sai (Red Belt) is not a part of the Chang Hon(ITF Pattern Set) 2.ITF has three required hyungs for each dan Our belt system is different as well however that does not have to do with the hyungs (got off track)! TAEKWON! Spookey Do not defend against an attacker, but rather become the attacker...Destroy the enemy!TAEKWON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bretty101 Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Yeah we do all our patterns with hip twist but without the sinewave. Realistically that is the method i'd use to break a brick, spar and really hit someone. I really struggle to generate any real devastating power using sinewave! I've been fortunate enough to train with Grandmaster Hee Il Cho. I have a massive respect for him as a martial artist. and believe he does the forms the way they were intended!! Bretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommarker Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 When people say that TKD is for softies, I point them to Jhoon Rhee and He Il Cho. I'm no longer posting here. Adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTKD Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 We do the Palgue forms, the WTF forms that came out before the Taegeuk forms were introduced. I don't know...I've seen the Chang Hun forms and I always thought they looked like karate forms with Tae Kwon Do kicking added. Not that I'm downplaying ITF forms. I'm not. However, Tommarker has a good point-anyone who thinks TKD is for wimps never trained under my Instructor. I've never seen so much power in one individual. It just depends on who you train under. Not all WTF Tae Kwon Do instructors focus on sport. My opinion-Welcome to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted February 6, 2004 Author Share Posted February 6, 2004 I know what you mean.My intrructor is not a big man but he sure has rang my bell a few times with kicks to the head .I would hate to go full contact with him.I see all these people blasting tae kwon do as a joke but I have really been impressed by this school.My instructor has also studied tukong moosul.He does alot of self defense stuff using everything belts,cane,etc. etc.We just order a bunch of mats we they get here next week we start takedowns too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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