jeffrogers Posted February 3, 2004 Posted February 3, 2004 Maybe I should ask this on the UG who knows. But whats the diffrence between Sambo and BJJ. I know sambo does quite abit of leg locks. Other then that what is sambo about? -Jeff
JohnnyS Posted February 3, 2004 Posted February 3, 2004 Sambo doesn't allow chokes, you can also be pinned if the guy is in your guard and looks to be holding you down. Also, they have a rule similar to Judo where you can't apply standing locks, so if you armbar the guy from guard and he stands up you have to release the lock. You can also win with a throw (similar to Ippon). BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
jeffrogers Posted February 3, 2004 Author Posted February 3, 2004 Thanks JohnnyS. There goes the flying armbar though in sambo events lol! -Jeff
rb Posted February 6, 2004 Posted February 6, 2004 I don't know about sambo but you can apply standing locks in judo but only to the elbow. You will be penalized if you attempt an action that is dangerous to yourself or you opponent such as locking the arm and dropping the person.
JohnnyS Posted February 8, 2004 Posted February 8, 2004 Are you sure about that rb? I've heard from a few Judo instructors that I had to let go of the armbar when they stood up, which obviously creates bad habits. Defense to armbar? Standup! A good way to get a broken arm. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
TJS Posted February 8, 2004 Posted February 8, 2004 I think RB means you can attempt to begin a submision while standing and then take them to the ground as long as it isint dangerous. Because im pretty sure Johnny is right about the standup part.
SevenStar Posted February 9, 2004 Posted February 9, 2004 Are you sure about that rb? I've heard from a few Judo instructors that I had to let go of the armbar when they stood up, which obviously creates bad habits. Defense to armbar? Standup! A good way to get a broken arm. that's not what he means. by standing lock, he means as if we are both standing - we're clinched, I wrap an arm and straighten it, and for some odd reason, you can't get escape and get arm barred. That's legal. if we are both standing and I try a flying arm bar - that's not legal. unless you can do it with one foot remaining on the ground... if you are in my guard and I attempt an armbar, and you stand up (what you were referring to) it's legal. UNLESS when you stand up, you pick me up off the ground. If I leave the ground, then the ref will break it and stand us back up.
rb Posted February 10, 2004 Posted February 10, 2004 Sorry, I should of addressed the newaza component. I asked for clarification on the matter from some refs at the club. They said that if uke stands up and tori does not make reasonable progress towards a submission or control the match will be stopped and players stood up and started again. This varies from ref to ref but on the whole judo refs are pretty quick to stop the match if you do not pin, or move to a submission attempt within 5-10 secs. In randori, tori can hold on as long as he/she pleases. Adding to sevenstar's list of judo no nos -spine locks -scissor take down -neck cranks -torso crushing your opponent in your guard with your legs. - hand in face There are more but judo is not widely practiced as a martial art rather as a sport. Some moves and limitations are imposed for safety while others were added to promote watchability.This when compared to its more combative bjj cousin must seem borderline rediculous and restrictive.
SevenStar Posted February 10, 2004 Posted February 10, 2004 not at all. the two blend nicely and help with your bjj clinch work. Being that I also train bjj, the time limit on the ground is annoying, but other than that, It's easy to fight within the rules.
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