j0rge Posted February 2, 2004 Posted February 2, 2004 Hi i´ve training Shotokan since 1990, since i move to another city i coulnd´t keep on trinning because there was no Shotokan Dojos around. But there where a few of kyokushin Kai Karate , Im trinning that style since then. So here are a few questions: - Do I have to start all over from white belt? - Is there a real diference in the techniques? (couldnt se any) - Is wrong for my original style to change to another? Thank you... OSSU.... Just as it is the clear mirror that reflects without distortion, or the quiet valley that echoes a sound, so must one who would study Karate-do purge himself of selfish and evil thoughts, for only with a clear mind and conscience can he understand that which he receives
gheinisch Posted February 2, 2004 Posted February 2, 2004 Do you have to start over and begin from white belt in the new style? All depends on your new dojo and Sensei. Ask him to see what his policy is. In my opinion you should start at white belt again out of respect with the possibility of moving up the ranks faster because of your pass experience. Bottom line - Ask your Sensei. Is there a difference in techniques? I'm sure you will notice some as the training progresses but if I reme,ber correctly kyokushin was developed by Oyama who had trained in Goju and Shotokan as well as other Martial Arts. He wanted to develop a style that improved on these styles for a well rounded style. I believe that kyokushin is more full contact then other styles can be. Is it wrong to change styles? Heck no. Crosstraining is great with many styles complmenting each other. Look at all the styles that Oyama himself has studied. Never forget your roots but expanded ones knowledge in my opinion is never wrong. "If your hand goes forth withhold your temper""If your temper goes forth withold your hand"-Gichin Funakoshi
stl_karateka Posted February 2, 2004 Posted February 2, 2004 - Do I have to start all over from white belt? That would depend on your instructor. Though I'd imagine if you did you would rapidly excel through the ranks. Then again, you may be able to retain rank...are you BB in Shotokan? Sometimes there is more leaway with Dan ranks - Is there a real diference in the techniques? (couldnt se any) Sorry, I've only taken a handful of Shotokan and Kyokushin --- couldn't tell you! - Is wrong for my original style to change to another? No way! Nothing wrong with expanding your horizons. You'll notice most people here study at least 2 MAs if not more! Best of luck to you....let us know how it turns out. KarateForums.com Sempai
j0rge Posted February 2, 2004 Author Posted February 2, 2004 Thank, you´ve been very helpful....Ossu. Just as it is the clear mirror that reflects without distortion, or the quiet valley that echoes a sound, so must one who would study Karate-do purge himself of selfish and evil thoughts, for only with a clear mind and conscience can he understand that which he receives
kenpo4life Posted February 3, 2004 Posted February 3, 2004 Actually there are a number of differences. While Oyama did study goju and shotokan, he modified his system quite a bit. In kyokushin, their delivery of the roundhouse kick is different. they also have no pads and full contact sparring from the start. They clinch and knee a lot also. There training methods are very intense. As I have fought in about 75 sabaki/kyokushin style matches, I can give you more details. Feel free to email me at ichibushi@hotmail.com If my survival means your total destruction, then so be it.
monkeygirl Posted February 3, 2004 Posted February 3, 2004 I'm going to move this to the Karate forum. 1st dan & Asst. Instructor TKD 2000-2003No matter the tune...if you can rock it, rock it hard.
Sho-ju Posted February 4, 2004 Posted February 4, 2004 You'll love kyokushin. It's a different style for sure, but many things are similar. In my dojo we are influanced by full contact karate but stick to our shotokan syllabus. I say go for it, even if they make you wear white, it won't be for long.
aefibird Posted February 4, 2004 Posted February 4, 2004 Good luck with your training in Kyokushinkai! I'm sure you'll really like it. As for wearing a white belt again... you'd have to ask your instructor about that. He may want you to start from white, or give you a higher grade or may even let you wear your black belt. Kyokushin is different from Shotokan but IMO it's a good thing to train in other styles. It can only help your martial arts to get better. "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers!
EvilTed Posted February 5, 2004 Posted February 5, 2004 We have two Shotokan shodan's in our World Oyama dojo. Both started at white belt again. The only style my sensei allowed to keep his black belt is a Kyokushin shodan from Poland. Is there a difference in styles? Only about as much as there is between dance classes and Special Forces unarmed combat Osu! ET
equaninimus Posted February 5, 2004 Posted February 5, 2004 Is there a difference in styles? Only about as much as there is between dance classes and Special Forces unarmed combat That's pretty funny. Good joke there, tedster. Seriously, are you finished with the "my style is better than your style" rhetoric yet, or are you going to continue? There are big differences in execution of basic technique between Shoto and the Oyama styles. In addition, Oyama style karate is very much "kick and punch, tough guy" oriented, so if you don't mind that sort of environment you should do fine. There have always been Starkadders at Cold Comfort Farm!
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