SevenStar Posted February 10, 2004 Posted February 10, 2004 if you don't move i don't move. if you move i move faster. basically, if you're standing there just looking threatening, we don't (have to) do anything. BUT when you are actually doing something, that is when we move. IMO, that's too defensive of a mindset. If you don't move, I make you move. When you move, I use timing and off balancing to take you down, not just moving faster. Also, I could be standing still to lure you into stillness. When you emulate it, I attack you. countering is good, but playing completely defensive can sometimes put you at a disadvantage. when we move we move forward (toward your centre) keeping you from facing our centre at all times, thus keeping you 'off balance' most of the time. it's not that special. as far as i'm aware, most styles do this anyway. depends on the technique. with many throws and sweeps, I am actually stepping off center, or pulling you into me. it's the off balancing that keeps your balanced compromised, not just stepping into their center.
Drunken Monkey Posted February 10, 2004 Posted February 10, 2004 well, the 'if you don't move...' thing is just one of the general sayings we have and is applied to more than just facing off. it isn't to be taken as a fixed 'rule'. also, you have to realise that these things are applied to our own abilities(the sil tim tao guy will do things differently to the bil gee guy). example if you are way out of range; more than 6 feet away; then i say that i don't have to move BUT when you beging to move towards my 'safety zone' i begin to 'move'. or in a friendly game and we have crossed hands i don't feel you move so i don't have to but i feel movement i will react. as for the whole balance thing, i was trying to be general as different wing chun people do things differently. even basics such as stance, stepping, structure, rotations are things that i have seen to be different. i don't want to start another 'my wing chun is better' argument with anyone.... so i stick to general comments. we do step off centre as well, usually followed by turning (extra torque) for the technique. well, like i say, i always try to keep things simple here so that the average joe can understand. balance, application of technique, stages of 'combat' are all very complex subjects. too much detail might confuse the matter. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
JerryLove Posted February 10, 2004 Posted February 10, 2004 if you are way out of range; more than 6 feet away; then i say that i don't have to move BUT when you beging to move towards my 'safety zone' i begin to 'move'. I can cover that distance and hit in one step... perhaps I should read back a page or two ad see what you mean by "don't move". https://www.clearsilat.com
Rich_2k3 Posted February 10, 2004 Author Posted February 10, 2004 How many sweeps do u guys learn then? We only really learn how to sweep are normal fighting stance (karate), so basically theres only really one type of sweep in are art. I suppose in somthing like Judo or ju jitsu its different, but in a striking art ur only gonna really learn how 2 strike ur own stance. "When my enemy contracts I expand and when he expands I contract" - Bruce Lee
Drunken Monkey Posted February 10, 2004 Posted February 10, 2004 well, we aren't actually taught 'sweeps' as such, more like what can be done in certain positions to get him onto the floor and how we can get into those positions. the simplest example is when you step to his side facing off his centre. from here, by turning your stance you have his balance. any additional movement from your hands will increase the effect. add to this any forward motion he has and again, the effect of his unbalance increases. i guess what we aim to do first is to control his balance. the 'finish' is taking the base. like all things wing chun, it's then a case of mix and match to get whatever you're comfortable with. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
SevenStar Posted February 10, 2004 Posted February 10, 2004 How many sweeps do u guys learn then? We only really learn how to sweep are normal fighting stance (karate), so basically theres only really one type of sweep in are art. I suppose in somthing like Judo or ju jitsu its different, but in a striking art ur only gonna really learn how 2 strike ur own stance. depends on the striking style. many striking styles have several sweeps, but as you said, not as in depth as arts like judo or shuai chiao. judo has a segment of techniques (ahi waza - foot techniques) that are geared toward this. okuri ashi barai, de ashi barai, hiza guruma, sasae tsuri komi ashi, ko uchi gari, ko soto gari, ko soto gake, o uchi gari o soto gari....
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