jeffrogers Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 Even if you aren't moviing bot stationery you can be swepted depends on the angle of how he sweeps. No stance leaves you strong in a 360 degrees. -Jeff
returning_wave Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 This is why I tend to go for some form of cat stance - although by no means a perfectly defensible stacne (as people ahve said no stacne is perfect) the weight is on the back leg, away from the opponent, meanign there is not an obvious sweepign target thrust in the opponents face. Front stance (zenkutso dachi) has limited left and right stability, as the original poster has discovered, and for this and other reasons I would not reccomend it for sparring. Cat stance and back stane (kokutso-dachi) have more stability to a sweeper in front of you but you couldnt stand there and expect to be defended - as someone said its movement not the solid stane which is the best sweeping defense. 3rd Kyu - Variant ShotokanTaijutsu"We staunt traditionalists know that technique is nowhere near as important as having your pleats straight when you die."
SevenStar Posted February 2, 2004 Posted February 2, 2004 with the weight on the back leg, you are vulnerable to sweeps like o uchi gari, and possibly o soto gari. As you stated though, it's all in the mobility.
cymry Posted February 8, 2004 Posted February 8, 2004 Does anyone know what wing chun guys are like if you try to sweep them?
WC-Strayder Posted February 8, 2004 Posted February 8, 2004 In Wing our weight are on the back leg on about 10/90 ratio,(little more or less here), and that paired with sticky legs, also called "chi Gerk", it will be very hard to sweep us, but not imposible. A sweep will only kick the leg, but not take out our balence and will often be followed up by counter sweeps. I sparred with a black sash (Black belt in Wing Chun) a while ogo and was surpriced on how fast his footwork was. I'm no more than a Yellow belt (White, Yellow, orange, green, purple, blue, brown black) and have trained for one and a half year, but he beat me like I was nothing at all just with his footwork!. He sparred with a new guy who started training with us a couple of weeks before, a TKD black belt , and to my surprice, (I thougth TKD was better) he beat the TKD guy easy. The TKD guy said after the fight that he no protection against low and fast sweeps and because of this he could not kick as he had liked. Another problem for the TKD was that he is used to jump up and down, I don't know about karate, but this is a thing the black sash got advantice of at onze. In wing chun we stand still, just move when we are sure not getting sweept. If the first lesson was a failure, then you know that skydiving isn't for you!
Drunken Monkey Posted February 8, 2004 Posted February 8, 2004 you have a belt system? where do you train? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
WC-Strayder Posted February 8, 2004 Posted February 8, 2004 I train at The Wing Chun school, but in norway. See link: http://www.thewingchunschool.com/html/Gary.htm (Click on Norway. It's on norwegian doug) Its more like Combat Wing Chun, we dropped all competition, it's all about self defence..... A LOT of fun! The belt system is there only B-coz it helps us see where people stands in the system, like all sifus have red sash, not there natural colour. Do you not have the belt system where U train, Drunken monkey? If the first lesson was a failure, then you know that skydiving isn't for you!
SevenStar Posted February 9, 2004 Posted February 9, 2004 In Wing our weight are on the back leg on about 10/90 ratio,(little more or less here), and that paired with sticky legs, also called "chi Gerk", it will be very hard to sweep us, but not imposible. A sweep will only kick the leg, but not take out our balence and will often be followed up by counter sweeps. a sweep is not a kick. if you are merely trying to kick a leg, your sweep will probably fail. Another problem for the TKD was that he is used to jump up and down, I don't know about karate, but this is a thing the black sash got advantice of at onze. In wing chun we stand still, just move when we are sure not getting sweept. jumping is bad. you want to glide around the floor, lifting the feet as minimally as possible. my understanding of WC is that you do not stand still, you use various shuffling steps. Is that wrong?
DarkAngel_Azrel Posted February 9, 2004 Posted February 9, 2004 This black sash lau gar kung fu prerson during your sparring match did he actualy ever sweep u or does he just think that becasue you are useing a wide 50/50 stance your easy to sweep ? let not the fear of death stay your hand nor defeat your courage.The warrior who will provail is the one who confronts death its self
Drunken Monkey Posted February 10, 2004 Posted February 10, 2004 if you don't move i don't move. if you move i move faster. basically, if you're standing there just looking threatening, we don't (have to) do anything. BUT when you are actually doing something, that is when we move. when we move we move forward (toward your centre) keeping you from facing our centre at all times, thus keeping you 'off balance' most of the time. it's not that special. as far as i'm aware, most styles do this anyway. it just looks different. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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