Rich_2k3 Posted January 22, 2004 Posted January 22, 2004 (edited) I've been doing karate for over a year now and I decided to cross train with Lau Gar Kung fu. Anyway I was sparring at Kung fu training with this Black Sash guy, very experienced, very skilled, anyway at the end he said well done, good technique but I see u've got a wide karate stance which is very easy to sweep, he told me why, i can now agree with him, and also he said becareful cuz if u were in the ring u'd be sweeped very easily. Now the kung fu stance is quite tight compared to the Karate stance which is quite wide, i've realised that if u sweep the front leg of the Karate stance then all ur weight will be on the other leg and ur gonna go down, the kung fu stance however has a better weight distribution so ur harder to sweep. On the other hand the karate stance is better balanced so if u kick or push the side of ur body then u'll stay balanced but if ur stance is less wide then u'll be pushed over easily at ur flanks. What do u think is more effective and can the karateka's stance be easily sweeped ? Edited January 24, 2004 by Rich_2k3 "When my enemy contracts I expand and when he expands I contract" - Bruce Lee
equaninimus Posted January 22, 2004 Posted January 22, 2004 Practice, where do you come up with some of the things you post? Sweeping is a skill, like any other. Those who practice sweeps are usualy better at avoiding them. Rich, I would guess you are speaking about the standard modified zenkutsu dachi that many of us spar from. If all your weight is on your front foot, and you are stationary (what a friend of mine calls "Rock sparring. ), then yes, you will be quite easy to sweep. But no "Style" is immune from being swept, nor is any "Style" invincible. Somedays I wonder if most of the people here are incredibly gullible? There have always been Starkadders at Cold Comfort Farm!
Rich67 Posted January 22, 2004 Posted January 22, 2004 What better way to earn a different color belt on the forum faster?? Just post as much as you can in as many areas, regardless of content, and there ya go! Oh yeah, and to answer the original question: many styles teach that weight distribution in a good fighting stance should be 60/40 (the 40 being the front leg). You can sweep anyone that stands upright. You just have to use the right technique. Just going in and sweeping blindly usually does nothing. You have to go in, follow through on the sweep, and accompany it with a move that causes the opponent to lose his balance (lapel grab and push, or just push, or etc.) Sure, if you try to sweep the front let of someone who has 90 %of their weight on the back leg...DUH it won't work!! They just pick up their leg and smile. But if you are watching a guy in a wide and evenly distributed stance and you sweep either leg, chances are he may fall. In TSD, we are taught a close, shoulder width, 60/40 fighting stance. You don't fight in the same stances you do your katas in. I don't see how anyone can fight effectively with a 50/50 wide stance... they deserve to be taken down, then! Mixed Martial Artist
kotegashiNeo Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 Well what style of karate? All styles, because as everyone knows especially Kung fu teachers that all styles of karate are the same wiether it be shotokan or goju ryu it doesn't matter. It just seems silly to make a really broad statment like that from someone who doesn't know karate. Maybe I'm just odd Kisshu fushin oni te hotoke kokoro
joerfe Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 I've been doing karate for over a year now and I decided to cross train with Lau Gar Kung fu. Anyway I was sparring at Kung fu training with this Black Sash guy....... This sounds to me that a Kung fu guy claims that his style is better than Karate. It also sounds like he doesn't know sh.. about Karate. In my humble opinion Get past it. Some people are like that. It's called ignorance. May the force be with you... Always
Sasori_Te Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 Anyone can be swept from any stance where the feet are the base of the stance. You just need the skills with the techniques and proper timing. I personally like using L6 or L7 just above the inside ankle. Nothing like a little pain to make you forget about your balance. A block is a strike is a lock is a throw.
SevenStar Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 wide and narrow stances can both be swept. the key is timing. you sweep them as they are moving. also, there are so many different types of sweeps it's not funny. his narrow stance can leave him more susceptible to techniques like hiza gurma (knee wheel). your wide stance may leave you more open for reaps, like o uchi gari and ko uchi gari. there are 3 components to any throw: -off balancing -entry -execution if those are met, you can throw someone regardless of how wide or narrow their stance is.
Drunken Monkey Posted January 23, 2004 Posted January 23, 2004 hmm, looks like my last post got scrubbed... sorry guys. i know it was kinda out of line... anyway. like most things martial arts related, a sweep is a technique. there is good technique and there is bad technique. same goes for the stance you take. there is good stance and bad stance. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
G95champ Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 your can only be swep if you have to much weight on a foot all styles and all stackes are possible to be sweep. Has a lot ot do with how fast and strong the sweeper is. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
Rich_2k3 Posted January 24, 2004 Author Posted January 24, 2004 This sounds to me that a Kung fu guy claims that his style is better than Karate. It also sounds like he doesn't know sh.. about Karate. No he's not, I think thats quite a big assumption seeing u'vr read one line. He gave me a sound peice of advice, thats it. At the end of the day I was sweeped easier in my karate stance compared to the Lau Gar stance. "When my enemy contracts I expand and when he expands I contract" - Bruce Lee
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