martialartsresearcher Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 hi guy, i was wondering? are MA students who attend a mcdojo useually mean? don't take this the wrong way im just asking if the mcdojos have a negative affect on MA students, ya know what im saying. thanks guys. see ya
Shorinryu Sensei Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 Mean? Why would they be mean because they are in a Mcdojo? Misguided..yes. Unfortuantely, your average non-martial artist (or novice) has little or know idea of what is good, or bad about a martial arts school. They see a uniform and a belt, listen to the * that comes out of that guys mouth and take it as gospel, and then signs the papers. As far as they know..it's good stuff. My nightly prayer..."Please, just let me win that PowerBall Jackpot just once. I'll prove to you that it won't change me!"
SaiFightsMS Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 The delusion becomes dangerous when the student thinking they have learned how to defend themselves is caught in a situation where they need to. And find out they have no idea what they are doing.
Shorinryu Sensei Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 Agreed. I wouldn't even want to guess how many black belts I've seen in my 29 years in the arts, that (in my opinion of course), that had the skill level of a low to mid-level colored belt. My nightly prayer..."Please, just let me win that PowerBall Jackpot just once. I'll prove to you that it won't change me!"
martialartsresearcher Posted January 21, 2004 Author Posted January 21, 2004 thanks guys. this really helps my research.
stuey-san Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 what exactly is a mc dojo? i realise its a bit like a chain or something, but our club was founded as a shotokan dojo, which incorporates kobudo (seperately to those who are 8th kyu and above), and one of my sensei's first black belts opened a club in the midlands, using our clubs name (chikara) and then a goju ryu club joined us about 2 years ago, and in the past month a judo club has joined us all under the chikara name, and its really helpful as we're going to get together in summer for a day long session and learn each others styles, and everyone always comes to the christmas party...........we're most definately not a mcdojo, but what is the difference between one and say a club that incorporates different styles under its name? oss Kicking to the head is like punching to the toes
granmasterchen Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 lol, a mcdojo is a dojo who has an instructor that is just out for the students' money and the students learn little in school, in an essance how mcdonalds wants your money in return for a meager meal. That which does not destroy me will only make me stronger
ESA-Shotokan Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 You will also know a McDojo by the fact the instructor is 99th Dan and has a class of 8 year olds who are 3rd dan! I have seen some web sites where the belt-system is made up of several sub-belts for a given colour. It's just printing money. There should be no levels of colour belts, only levels of dan grades.
Budderfly Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 The following transcript helps to paint a better picture of what a McDojo is: (this was sent to me awhile back from another martial artist) ******************************* A big sign greets the customers. It says "McDojo’s Over 99 Million Promotions Served!" Instructor: Welcome to McDojo’s! How may I promote you today? Customer: I would like a Black Belt, please. Super sized if possible… I've had a few too many hamburgers lately. Instructor: Would you like a stripe with that? Customer: Hmmm…sure…why not. I haven’t had one in a long time. Instructor: What about a title? Customer: Do you have any Grand Masters? Instructor: Why yes…hundreds in fact. That's our most popular title! Customer: Excellent. I will take one of those. How long will it take? Intructor: Well, it used to take a lifetime to prepare one of these, and only the most devoted could afford the sacrifice. But now we have them pre-packaged in almost every style. A few old holdouts wouldn’t give us their style's recipe. But we have some guys working on that right now. Customer: Well those three in the poster look good. I’ll take those, and don't skimp on the patches! I love pretty patches. Instructor: Ok sir…Coming right up. 5 minutes and 20 customers later... Instructor: Here you go sir. Customer: Umm…I think there is a mistake. I paid for a red stripe. That’s a white one. Instructor: The board of directors decided that the traditional red stripes reminds them too much of blood. They don’t want to project a bad image. Customer: But red is the color you have used since you opened so many years ago! Everyone I knew grew up on red stripes! It’s traditional to have them with the Grand Master Combo. Instructor: There’s nothing I can do sir…Oh sir, you owe us an extra fee for the stripe upgrade to white. Customer: Okay that’s it. Let me speak to whoever runs this place. Great Great Grand Master Pan Zie: I am the one you seek. What do you wish to know? Customer: Why can’t I get a red strip with my black belt? Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: Red was no longer cost effective for our traditional training paradigm. Customer: So you're saying red costs too much to make? Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: Your insights do you well, young Grasshopper. But you would do well to keep these secrets…secret. Customer: But you charge more for the white even though it costs less to make! Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: I am sorry…there are many more contracts and promotions I have to dispense. Customer: That’s it! I've had enough of you guys. I am going to take my business to Burger Kwon!
ramymensa Posted January 22, 2004 Posted January 22, 2004 Indeed, a Mc Dojo is not a chain store and the only thing that's similar to the Mac is the oversized commercial orientation Bad instructors only for your money, very high belts (shodans and so on) on the waists of 5 year olds and so on. When smell one of these run as hard as you can. World Shotokan Karate
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