Flawed as a fighter?

[Rich_2k3]

There will be folk out there who are able to take a punch or kick and then there gonna grab you....im just saying that in some cases if you dont know how to grapple or throw....you may be screwed

 

I agree, most ppl will try and grab u if they have no success with their punches and for all u know they could be huge, it may suddenly turn nasty as soon as they get hold of u...

[Sasori_Te]

Okay...you guys are talking about the average joe. Well, here's another scenario. What if you happen to have a job that puts you in harms way? Let's say like the police or a correctional officer? You have to deal with people literally twice your size sometimes. Sometimes semmingly bigger than that. Would you prefer a grappling art or a striking art in that situation? I personally found jiu jitsu and karate worked well together. I'm not talking about this BJJ stuff that goes to the ground everytime. I'm talking finger locks, wrist locks, elbow locks( these were more difficult on the bigger guys) and certain sweeping and takedown techniques that I learned in karate. It's funny , I also learned all of the locks in karate too, except for the finger locks. I learned that from a small circle jiu jitsu guy. Granted that you are in a limited response environment. You can't just fire off a kick or a punch to quickly end a situation. You have to consider the over-all safety of the inmate.

[jeffrogers]

You will find most bouncers and correctional officers saying wrist locks in general don't work to well unless the component is already complinant. -Jeff

[SevenStar]

agreed. someone in such a profession would be better of with judo or bjj. TJJ would be good, but you can't always rely on the small circle locks.

 

1. different pain tolerance and flexibility levels.

 

2. when dealing someone crazed, the pain of a joint lock may not suffice in subduing him.

[jeffrogers]

Yep especailly on drug factors I heard of Geroge Dillman talking about pressure points he teaches law enforement officals about how to deal with people on drugs. But reality of actually doing that with some one moving and such to me seems very difficult.

[SBN Doug]

Yep especailly on drug factors I heard of Geroge Dillman talking about pressure points he teaches law enforement officals about how to deal with people on drugs. But reality of actually doing that with some one moving and such to me seems very difficult.

 

I've only seen it pulled off by my 8th degree master. But we don't study Dillman.

 

Joint locks can be tricky in those professions. If their pain tollerance is high, as SevenStar mentioned, you'll be in a tight spot since you might get into trouble taking the technique into the destructive application.

 

If you're allowed to use destructive force on the technique, then pain won't be as much a factor, as they won't even have use of that joint.

[jeffrogers]

I know a couple that are good at it.

 

-Jeff

[blitzcraig]

Yea, I work security for target and not everyone is compliant about comming into our office with us so we are supposed to use "non-violent crisis intervention tactics"-the least force possible to apprehend these fools. Now, me being a skinny not to strong of a guy, 6ft 155lbs and only have taken karate, I cant kick a shoplifter in the gut, or punch their trought, so were supposed to wrestle them to the ground and use locks or presure points to put them in handcuffs. and if im trying to grab them and there squrmin and running away, I would like to know a throw or joint lock to put them in there place.

[Sasori_Te]

Hmmm. Funny, I've worked in corrections in Louisiana and Texas and the techniques I mentioned always worked for me. I speak from experience not just what I think might work. In the 4 years total that I worked in corrections not once did I ever see an officer wrestling with an inmate like BJJ or TJJ.

[SevenStar]

you saw them hitting pressure points? When I was working, security, I never saw that, nor had I done it.