Sayoc Kali

[JerryLove]

I said I'd try to get a little knife play up for a contrast.... Done.

 

http://www.clearsilat.com/silat/Multimedia/index.htm

[Bdaze]

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This style is taught to military black ops in the pihilipines (not sure what they're called) and focusses on ending the fight with a kill in less than a few seconds.

 

I looked into it further and i was partially wrong

 

Sayoc Kali is taught to some military personel in the philipines, but it's not their primary style. it's more there to enhance and suppliment their other techniques. i couldn't find the name of the units that they taught to though

 

anyway, nice clips. they are actually pretty similair to the things you would see in an early sayoc class (some of the first things we learn are unarmed tactics against an armed opponent)

 

but the main purpose (or at least the area in which it shines) is a fight with another experienced kinfe fighter. if you watch any of the drills, they are continious and flowing. if the attackers stirke misses or is blocked they redirect the energy into another flowing atack from a differant direction or angle.

 

i like this about sayoc because it makes you think about the best way to survive. if you block or evade a thrust, the attacker can come back around and slash you.

 

anyway, this is just my opinion. i understand that there are differant ways to get the same thing done. this style just happens to work well for me.

[Pacificshore]

his input amounted to "I do the best are, we rule".

 

Funny, I didn't take it that way..........

 

 

I wonder that myself. I'm in a knife art, one whose approach I like more than the kali approach (I think the FMA stay out to much and do too much "fencing" with blades). For me, a word like "extreme" is an immediate turn-off... it screams of bravado.

 

Funny, I can interpret this as my "knife art" is better than yours.............

 

As far as I'm concerned, it's good to see someone excited about their art no matter what it is, and be able to admit when their knowledge is lacking and makes an attempt to research it. So, just take it with a "grain of salt". I know I do

[JerryLove]

anyway, nice clips. they are actually pretty similair to the things you would see in an early sayoc class (some of the first things we learn are unarmed tactics against an armed opponent)

The diffrerence between Silat and Kali (I know I'm using general terms specifically, "my art" and "what I've seen of your art", if you prefer) generally comes down to Silat's unwillngness to stay out and fence. Since closing usually trumps fencing, the focus on fencing has been my problem with the kali arts I've seen.

but the main purpose (or at least the area in which it shines) is a fight with another experienced kinfe fighter. if you watch any of the drills, they are continious and flowing. if the attackers stirke misses or is blocked they redirect the energy into another flowing atack from a differant direction or angle.

 

Keep moving into your opponent while doing that and see how it changes.

i like this about sayoc because it makes you think about the best way to survive. if you block or evade a thrust, the attacker can come back around and slash you.

 

But if I smother him and control the knife then I don't need to block or evade again. I can simply start chopping.

anyway, this is just my opinion. i understand that there are differant ways to get the same thing done. this style just happens to work well for me.

 

Of crouse, results always vary; and I'm not picking on your art (I can understand if its read that way). The FMA are generally good knife and stick arts, and I've no doubt that yours is not an exception (unless you are teaching the flying sidekick as a response to a knife (sayocvid01.mpg)) .

 

BTW, if you ever find yourself in FL, look me up. I'll buy you dinner and we can waste a night comparing strategies and tactics. I think it would be fun (and I've been to lazy to track down the Sayoc Kali school in Orlando).

Edited January 19, 2004 by JerryLove

[JerryLove]

Funny, I didn't take it that way..........

"Sayoc Kali is one of the most advanced and extreme knife fighting arts i've ecountered."

Funny, I can interpret this as my "knife art" is better than yours.............

 

Yep, that would not be an erronious intrepretation; though I would re-add the caviat that "from what I have seen of your art, and what I know of other Kali arts..."

[ZR440]

I looked at the video. I can pick out similarities with my style.

 

I also agree with Jerry. We tend to crash in to control the weapon and then slice, dice and julian (whatever that is). But every style is a little different. No big deal.

[Drunken Monkey]

julliene is the name given to the process of cutting really thin slithers of vegetables as well as the resulting slithers themselves, kinda like a crudite but a little thinner...