taichi4eva Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 First of all, I'm not a Tang Soo Do practioner, so I hope I'm not offending anyone with this post. Hwang Kee supposedly studied Yang Taijiquan, Tantui, and Changquan with a Mr. Yang Kuk Jin (probably the Korean version of his name in Mandarin). He combined this with his knowledge of Soo Bahk and coined his martial art "Hwa Soo Do." The school closed down quickly because no one knew what it was, but everyone had some idea of what Japanese Karate was. In response to popular demand I guess, Hwang Kee started reading books about Japanese Karate and learned 12-14 forms of Okinawan Karate (this goes against what most Tang Soo Do people say in which Hwang Kee brought these forms back from China...I just think the former seems more realistic since Hwang Kee admitted to have done so in his previous writings). So what's my question? My question is before the 1950's, what hyung did Hwang Kee teach? I've been doing a lot of asking around, and I think everyone admits that Hwang Kee's style has definitely gone through an evolution of sorts- the modification of the hyung, the creation of new ones into the curriculum (chil sung, hwa sun, etc.), the incorporation of forms (from 10-12 hyung from Okinawan Karate to 24-25) and the dissappearance of others (rarely does anyone practice the tantui, yang taijiquan, and changquan anymore) Here's what I think. Feel free to correct me. - 3 Kicho - 5 Pyong Ahn - Bassai - Shaolin Tantui (12 Road style, not 10) - Yangjia Taijiquan (the form that Hwang Kee practiced had the repetitions cut out of it. I heard it looks like the 88 form) - Shaolin Changquan (in a series of responses to Dan Nolan's article on the origin of the Pyong Ahn series, Dan Nolan writes that Hwang Kee had actually forgotten the form and had sent his son to go study changquan with a Chinese master in Seoul. There is a hypothesis that says that Hwang Kee in fact never learned changquan, but a composite form of Tantui, which he called changquan.) The forms listed above are what I think Hwang Kee must have originally taught when he opened his Moo Duk Kwan. Can anyone confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommarker Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 check out http://www.warrior-scholar.com/ they love to talk about this kind of stuff, and have all kinds of theories. I'm not saying we don't, but those guys study this quite a bit. I'm no longer posting here. Adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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