Kanazawa quote

[Ripper]

Firstly the focus is not in the direction of the attack - what use is that? Kime is a downward force : Newton 3 applies here; equal - opposite etc. You are driving the energy through your feet, not your fist.

Focus and kime are two different things in the karateworld. In the previous posts you can see what is meant by focus. Kime is just another word to say that you do it with power and speed.

 

You say the focus is not in the direction of the attack???????????

 

Are you saying you "are driving your energy" to the ground?

 

Could you explain that?

[ESA-Shotokan]

Nope that is not what I call kime. Kime is the contraction/decontraction of the applied technique. I would never describe kime as power and speed myself, but in a very basic sense it could be perceived as such.

 

As far as driving the energy into the ground. Imagine standing with your out stretched arms about a foot or so from a wall. With your palms, push away from the wall - nothing happens, of course. Stand by the wall and push away, what happens? Yup, you get pushed away. The force you exert against the wall is transfered back at you from the wall and you fall away.

 

Do the same thing but this time, also push away with your hands and a foot - you'll fly away from that wall.

 

Same thing when you punch. Correct kime should come not just from your fist, arm and shoulder, but from all of your body, especially the hips and along your leg and foot.

[Ripper]

As far as driving the energy into the ground. Imagine standing with your out stretched arms about a foot or so from a wall. With your palms, push away from the wall - nothing happens, of course. Stand by the wall and push away, what happens? Yup, you get pushed away. The force you exert against the wall is transfered back at you from the wall and you fall away.

This only proves you need a certain distance for a technique to work. The same when you do a stepping punch and you are stopped alsmost at the beginning of the step. Then nothing happens either. When you are at the end of the technique you have the maximum power.

 

It does not prove that your technique is more powerful.

[ESA-Shotokan]

This only proves you need a certain distance for a technique to work.

 

It has nothing whatsoever to do with distance. Kime can be performed from any stance, on one foot, whatever.

 

I think you miss my point.

[Ripper]

Your example to prove your point was purely about difference in distance.

 

You are contradicting yourself throughout this thread.

[ESA-Shotokan]

No, Ripper, my example was with respect to Newton 3. If that is not familiar to you, it is Newton's 3rd law of motion, which, in the most basic terms, states that "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." That is what I actually said. You asked me to explain how applying a downward force resulted in a powerful kime. Obviously my example was not clear to you.

 

[Killer Miller]

The Japanese refer to Kime as being Focus BTW - Nishiyama, Oishi, Shirai, etc.. The difference in terms is totally interpretation by others.

Focus and kime are two different things in the karateworld. In the previous posts you can see what is meant by focus. Kime is just another word to say that you do it with power and speed.

[Killer Miller]

I with you all the way here ESA. Except that Kime is executed at a given "focal point." The relaxation is necessary in order to initiate another technique in the same process for the next Kime focal point...

 

- Killer Miller -

Nope that is not what I call kime. Kime is the contraction/decontraction of the applied technique. I would never describe kime as power and speed myself, but in a very basic sense it could be perceived as such.

[Killer Miller]

This is a totally false statement. I demonstrated this to someone at a party once whom asked the exact same question. I put my fist just touching his arm. I told him that I would not bring my fist away from his arm and only punch in about one inch (1"). He said "GO FOR IT!" I quickly contracted/decontracted my "all" muscles, with pressure going to the ground at a split nano-second, and relaxing afterwards. I used "Kime, with my focal point being "one" inch in from my contact point.

 

Afterwards the person, a big framed "cocky" Marine, said "you swore you wouldn't bring your fist away from my arm!" as he was holding his arm in pain. I said "I didn't!" Two others watching said "HE DIDN"T!" Thus, not needing distance to carry out an action. Just Kime...

 

His arm hurt for two days afterwards. He never questioned the concept again.

 

- Killer Miller -

This only proves you need a certain distance for a technique to work. The same when you do a stepping punch and you are stopped alsmost at the beginning of the step. Then nothing happens either. When you are at the end of the technique you have the maximum power.

 

It does not prove that your technique is more powerful.

[Ripper]

Now that's the biggest joke I've ever heard.

 

It's just a little trick you were doing, and yes you did move. Just tape that same action and you can let us see you moved.