Frosty Posted February 21, 2003 Posted February 21, 2003 I must doubt that Bruce beat Wong bad. He hadn't completed his Wing Chun training and he was fighting against a Grandmaster of the Northern Shaolin style. Higher techniques beat lower. Did Bruce ever completed the Wooden Dummy form? He was still far from mastering WC ...
rlee Posted February 22, 2003 Posted February 22, 2003 I must doubt that Bruce beat Wong bad. He hadn't completed his Wing Chun training and he was fighting against a Grandmaster of the Northern Shaolin style. Higher techniques beat lower. Did Bruce ever completed the Wooden Dummy form? He was still far from mastering WC ... According to my dad, who learned Wing Chun from one of the student of Grandmaster Yip Man, Bruce Lee never completed the Wooden Dummy techniques. In fact, when he went back to Hong Kong, he tried to persuade Grandmaster Yip Man to teach him the complete set. However, Grandmaster Yip refused.
Frosty Posted February 23, 2003 Posted February 23, 2003 I found this article could be interesting for Fans. http://members.tripod.com/stickgrappler/wck/wslbl.html Here's a only a piece of the Article - At once I turned my left punch into a protecting hand and used my right hand to pierce towards his throat. Although we did not use much of our force, we both were hit. He jumped away, and said, "Leung, actually I hit you first. Do you think so?" I smiled and answered, "Don't take it seriously. Who first hit the other is not the most important thing. It is the strength of the hit that matters. You are right. Your hand hit first, but my protecting hand had already dissolved much of your power. Truly, if you strike with all your force, I may not be able to stand it, but if the power is greatly reduced, the strike will not be so effective. On the other hand, my hand also grasped your throat. If we had really fought, surely you would know who would have been hurt more badly."
yireses Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Is that so. Imagen if he could have completed he's Wing Chun tranning!!! Who would have evan try to fight with him, NOBODY! The knowing of Violence and living in no violence brings peace.Shaolin Chuan Fa
Synaesthesia Posted March 16, 2003 Posted March 16, 2003 Just how good was Bruce Lee? No, that's not what I mean to ask. How do we know that Bruce Lee was that good?
Kaju_influenced Posted March 26, 2003 Posted March 26, 2003 If i can to correct something about bruce lee i think i would have to go back to Sifu Dan when he said the reason y bruce did not complete his wing chun training is because he didnt have to. There are those who do things in life and are able to skip a step bruce never completed to last of the dummies because he had already taking what was usefull. This is according to my sifu and Sifu Dan Inosanto so i dont really know the real truth but from someone that personaly trained with him i think i can trust. Bruce went beyond styles remember that very important! He did not believe in them due to there binding nature he found taking what was usefull and discarding what was useless and adapting it to what is originaly ur own was the best way to grow. Bruce believed in self grown or more in depth decreasing ones self "to express oneself honestly without lying to oneself", he said in one of his late interviews "that my friend is very hard to do!" "Sweat more in the dojo,bleed less in the street"Kajukenbo fighters axiom.
fungku Posted March 30, 2003 Posted March 30, 2003 He only decided that AFTER this fight. Personally, even though I'm a fan of Bruce Lee, I think that Wong was holding back. I see Bruce as the cocky and stubborn type to not give up or admit defeat even if he is outskilled. After that fight he ignored an open, public challenge with Wong. If he had so easily defeated him, like Linda had described, it would have been no problem for him to publicly defeat Wong again, and get some more fame (which I think Brce craved). Beating the Grandmaster of Northern Shaolin is sure to get you that, if only among the Chinese community. Also he changed a lot after that fight. I'd also like to point out this, what Bruce himself said:"I’d gotten into a fight in San Francisco (a reference, no doubt, to the Bay Area rather than the city) with a Kung-Fu cat, and after a brief encounter the son-of-a-* started to run. I chased him and, like a fool, kept punching him behind his head and back. Soon my fists began to swell from hitting his hard head. Right then I realized Wing Chun was not too practical and began to alter my way of fighting." Pounding someone in the back of the head doesn't sound like a very smart thing to do. Do they really teach this in Wing Chun? I wouldn't think so. He atrributed that to Wing Chun, and said he had to alter his way of fighting. To me that says that he obviously hadn't gotten that far in Wing Chun or traditional 'Kung Fu'. He then rejected traditional styles and become what he was before he died. I don't think he had much experience or any sort of understanding of traditional kung fu, and was in no position to say anything for or against it. Visit Shaolin, Chinese Martial Arts - I don't fear the 10,000 techniques you've practised once, I fear the one technique you've practiced 10,000 times. -
KungFuLuvva Posted April 7, 2003 Posted April 7, 2003 i like a lot of bruce lee's theories but i feel safe with my traditional wing chun kung fu thank you very much age:16style:wing chunDon't try to predict the outcome of a fight. just let nature take its course.
tommarker Posted April 7, 2003 Posted April 7, 2003 between this and the Emin Boztepe thing being rehashed, you CMA people need to get out and train more I'm no longer posting here. Adios.
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