need safety - what art?

[Drunken Monkey]

well, if all you want is to learn to fight quickly then i say forget any formal training in 'style' and just find a willing partner and fight.

 

it still seems to me that you don't really get what air drills are for.

 

it is a completely separate entity from bag work.

 

you can't compare the two at all because they achieve different things.

 

you even said it yourself, punching a bag helps develop power.

 

punching the air develops precision and form.

 

you need both power AND correct form so you need both forms of training.

 

fighting ability doesn't even involve these two things either as like i said at the beginning of this post, if you want to learn to fight quickly, go and fight.

 

nothing teaches you how to avoid hits like actually having to avoid hits.

[jeffrogers]

Your wrong on those aspects fighting ability has alot to do with speed and acuarcy and punching power not to mention assertivness or bit of agression. I understand what air drills are for. Like I said in my postt you just quoted from me. But I see martial artist do them more often then not then bag drills. Yeah so they person is fast but if he has no power or weight to back it up. Big freakin deal.

 

This is why I also emphasized bag drills.

 

maybe you learn to tkae a hit or avoid it. Mainly you get beaten down if its by an experienced fighter. learning to avoid hit doesn't mean you know how to hit. What good is avoidence if you can't do much back. Eventually your going to get beat down. This is why I stressed, both a balance of air drills and bag drills. I find MA practioners of alot of styles and instructors don't emphasize that enoguh so there students don't have that much power in there strikes. Learning to hit is just as important as not getting hit. Again going in and fighting don't teach you any thing you need some sort of training. Boxing is a good example because they are only limited to punches so they learned to bob, weave and get out of the way of a punch or exorb it pretty decently.

 

You can argue all you want but reality is TMA training is good for knowlege and eventualy with right training and work you can get it to work. But to get to learn fighting quickly to were you can dominate most of your fights least as far as hand to hand no, muliple attackers join in. But then again there are many factors to fighting.

 

-Jeff

[Drunken Monkey]

but you didn't stress balnce of both.

 

you seemed to be saying forget the air drills, do bag work.

[jeffrogers]

One of my earlier posts said balance in both. I guess I didn't write enough to stress what I said.

 

But I meaning more boxing type air drills or least boxing type covering. Not the Traditional Karate moves were one hand is punching other retraciting at the hip. Or least not to much emphasis enough for themn to get certain concepts maybe a week or two at the most of work on it. But then to switch. But again that is talking about certain styles of doing things Other systems like Wing chun have difrent hand work as far as it being on the center line. Other styles use other hand postions. I relate to Karate because I see advance practioners doiing techniques like that but sparring maybe a little diffrent.

 

-Jeff