Icetuete Posted December 21, 2003 Posted December 21, 2003 how many wing tsun organizations are there? what is Wing Chun all about anyway? how do the techniques work? are they linear and fast forward or do they redirect the force? is there a form of competition in Wing Chun? where is the difference between Wing Tsun and Wing Chun? is there "one" wing chun that is trained by all instructors and sifu or is it like kung fu, that there are hundreds of styles and each different from one another? thanks in advance!! edit: i heard about LEUNG TING wing tsun... what is this? and do wing chun practicioners wear shoes? edit: what just came to my mind: is there kata in wing tsun? how would you characterize wing tsun? is this a "combat art" or are the internal aspects more important?
Icetuete Posted December 21, 2003 Author Posted December 21, 2003 what ranges of fighting does wing tsun cover? does it have "dirty techniques" like groin kicks? does it use pressure points?
cross Posted December 21, 2003 Posted December 21, 2003 Some links that might help: The World Wing Chun Association Wing Tsun Self Defence Wing Chun Interactive
Icetuete Posted December 29, 2003 Author Posted December 29, 2003 yeah, not bad, but not exactly what i was looking for. thanks alot though any wing tsun practicioners here that might help me out?
SevenStar Posted December 31, 2003 Posted December 31, 2003 how many wing tsun organizations are there? several. what is Wing Chun all about anyway? sytem that combines the techniques of crane and snake. should be fast and powerful. how do the techniques work? That's a very broad question - can you be more specific? are they linear and fast forward or do they redirect the force? both. is there a form of competition in Wing Chun? no. where is the difference between Wing Tsun and Wing Chun? I believe there is. is there "one" wing chun that is trained by all instructors and sifu or is it like kung fu, that there are hundreds of styles and each different from one another? nah, there's not "one". you will have stylistic differences, as with any art, but the core is pretty much the same across the styles, from what I understand. thanks in advance!! edit: i heard about LEUNG TING wing tsun... what is this? style used by master leung ting. and do wing chun practicioners wear shoes? yes. edit: what just came to my mind: is there kata in wing tsun? how would you characterize wing tsun? chinese styles don't do "kata" but there are forms. Three empty hand, a ple form and a butterfly sword form. I know that was kind of general, but I don't train in WT or WC. A good friend of mine does though - I'll get him to give more specific answers.
Drunken Monkey Posted December 31, 2003 Posted December 31, 2003 i think the best way to describe wing chun is: small quick compact direct efficient realistic boring generally there aren't that many branches in wing chun, the 3 biggest being yip man, yuen kay shan and pan nam. the majority you'll come across will from yip man's, his school having the most students (who in turn have even more students...) the thing is, within yip man's own school there was a lot of controversy over the way things were taught, who was taught and what was taught. wing chun is supposed to be based on the individual. that is why different students were shown to do things differently. what works for one does not neccessarily work for another. as a result there are now many different 'yip man' wing chun schools out there that have differences in how they do things. training consists of a hell of a lot of drills. in class we do a lot of punch/breaks just to get the moves and feel of hard contact/exchange ingrained. chi sau (a bit complex to describe here) but basically it is 'sensitivity/brevity' excercise/game. wall bag, which is an exercise designed by crazy monks to tear every last millimetre of skin off your knuckles.... IF your punching is sloppy. and finally three tools. dummy, pole, knives. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Icetuete Posted January 3, 2004 Author Posted January 3, 2004 thanks alot @ drunken monkey + sevenstar. that helped to a certain extend could you please explain what u meant by "wt is boring" @ Drunken Monkey ?
Drunken Monkey Posted January 3, 2004 Posted January 3, 2004 due to its nature/essence, it isn't the most exciting thing to watch. at it's best the movements you do will be very minute shifts from left to right equating to about six inches of hand movement to nutralise/control things before a strike. and the training is very much about getting things perfect and as such means that you will spend a lot of time doing the same things over and over again. the training also requires quite a bit of dedication. when i started, i spent about three months just punching (and variations of) before i was introduced to other hand movements. even now, seven years on, i still do my rounds of punching every night and every morning. much of the work YOU WILL have to do at home by yourself. we never do forms in class because we feel that is a waste of the time with the other students. forms are left for you to do at home. all of the small drills you do at home by yourself. the class is meant for training with a partner. for the poon sau (chi sau, rolling), we make sure that your basic roll from bong to tan is 'perfect' before we suggest you try 'stealing' and this by itself takes quite a while (which is good because it strengthens your shoulders during the rolling). basically, we don't 'move you on' until we feel you are ready for it. we believe that if we let you advance too quickly when your basics are even a little sloppy, you'll get used to 'lazy' techniques and that is harder to correct, so we make sure you are 'perfect' to begin with. historically, it is said that wing chun is quick to learn but you should realise that this is said understanding that you have to train everyday, with as many people as possible. training everyday, doing the same things over and over again, punching, punching with step, punching with shift, punching with shifted step, punching with side step, punching with side shift.... very repetitive. which is why i said that wing chun is boring. but then, all of the 'boring' training alone makes you appreciate your training partners even more. it all boils down to how seriously you want to be good. we've had a dude with us for about a year now, italian guy, really nice chap but it's quite obvious he doesn't do much work at home. he's not bad, just that he can't last because he loses form easily because his shoulder's tire out quickly (which the punching would help with). then there's out latest wunderkind. he's been with us for about the same time as italian guy but he works so hard. his first six months were really fun cos everytime he showed up, he was better than the last time. he hasn't learnt that much but what he knows, he uses amazingly. unfortunately, he hasn't been with us for a while now cos of his a-levels. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Icetuete Posted January 3, 2004 Author Posted January 3, 2004 ah, i see - very interesting. thanks drunken monkey!!!
Drunken Monkey Posted January 3, 2004 Posted January 3, 2004 i should point out that this is just how we train but i've been to a few other wing chun schools and the emphasis is more or less the same. chi sau, sparring, drills. i've been to one place that is practically 100% chi sau (bar the warm up) post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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