Shorinryu Sensei Posted December 26, 2003 Posted December 26, 2003 are people attacked with swords and bolos that often? Not normally..no, but baseball bats, bar stools, pool ques, etc are basically identical in the way that you defend against them. My nightly prayer..."Please, just let me win that PowerBall Jackpot just once. I'll prove to you that it won't change me!"
battousai16 Posted December 27, 2003 Posted December 27, 2003 aha, touché "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
Drunken Monkey Posted December 27, 2003 Posted December 27, 2003 it isn't really a case of how 'he' is attacking you but more about what you are doing to defend. if you know how a certain type of weapon is used, you can see how a certain type of weapon can be used against you. if you know how a weapon works then you should know how a weapon doesn't work. it's like in normal hand work; you know what your techniques are weak against and so you watch out for them. 'before you learn to hit, you learn to get hit. while learning to hit, you learn how not to get hit.' post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Bdaze Posted December 31, 2003 Posted December 31, 2003 are people attacked with swords and bolos that often? swords, not so much, but in certain parts of the world a bolo is a very common weapon mostly africa, south america and the filipines (or philipines.... stupid irregulair noun) If in your journey you encounter God, God will be cut ~Hatori Hanso (sonny chiba)
Rich67 Posted December 31, 2003 Posted December 31, 2003 I can answer that question on two levels: 1) Yes, it helps you empty-hand skills in the dojo. By using weapons, you develop better coordination, strength, and fluid movement. I studied nunchaku, bo(staff) and tonfa and found that they both helped me with my movements in my katas and on top of all that, they were just fun to do. The staff was probably the most practical of the three, since it's pretty commonplace to find a stick or long piece of wood in an area where you may get into a fight. But... 2) I don't think the KNOWLEDGE of using weapons will help you in a street situation, except in rare instances. A street fight is usually hand-to-hand, and is over so fast or is so overwhelming, that you don't have the time or presence of mind to start looking around the area for a potential weapon. Now, I'm not saying it WOULDNT HELP AT ALL. I just don't think it would be a major deciding factor in the fight's outcome. But I have always been a "traditional" martial artist. I believe that everything taught in the martial arts has a purpose. Weapons training is definitely a plus. But in the fights I've been involved in, I didn't use any of my weapons training ;I had to rely purely on my kicking and punching skills (and my very limited grappling skills). But then again, I wasn't attacked with a pool cue or a barstool either. So I would have to say that YES, weapons training helps the martial artist to become an all-around better fighter. But it is not something that should be REQUIRED- it should be done to gear a fighter to a real-life environment. The first thing in martial arts though, is NEVER get involved in a fight that you think you can't win. It's better to walk away than test your ego. Mixed Martial Artist
Treebranch Posted January 7, 2004 Author Posted January 7, 2004 Sure walking or talking out of a fight is smarter. But if someone attacks me and I have no choice but to do him great bodily harm so that he doesn't do mean things to me, then so be it. I personally think weapons amplify your mistakes so it's a great way to see your progress. Also it seems like you are not training with weapons against anyone. It sounds like you are doing Kata with weapons which is only a part of weapons training. The main thing weapons training has taught me is that weapons are all around us and not hard to find. Anything can be used as a weapon. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Drunken Monkey Posted January 8, 2004 Posted January 8, 2004 who? anyway. the first thing we do is get to know the weapon. we do little exercises and the forms to make sure that we handle the weapon as if it were part of ourselves. after all, we haven't been using them as long as we have our hands. after that we are pretty much allowed to do what we want as long we are sensible. this ranges from up close with 'realistic' attacks with knives (blunt and live which was a bit of a mistake considering how crap we were...) to us fooling around trying three section staff against normal 9ft staff... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Budospirit Posted February 8, 2004 Posted February 8, 2004 Do you think weapons training helps your unarmed skills or not? Please give examples why or why not. If you ever get to train in any authentic Kobujutsu you will find practically everything that’s done with weapons can be used as empty handed techniques. The footwork in weapons training has helped me no end.
Treebranch Posted February 9, 2004 Author Posted February 9, 2004 BudoSpirit said: [quote]If you ever get to train in any authentic Kobujutsu you will find practically everything that’s done with weapons can be used as empty handed techniques. The footwork in weapons training has helped me no end. I was just trying to see what other MA practitioners think of the proposed question. I study Budo Taijutsu and from you described I'm sure it has a lot in common with Kobujutsu. So basically I know where you are coming from. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
equaninimus Posted February 9, 2004 Posted February 9, 2004 Weapons training tends to make your empty hand techniques crisper. There have always been Starkadders at Cold Comfort Farm!
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