guest Posted December 22, 2003 Posted December 22, 2003 anytime i've seen multiple guys gang up on one guy, the multiples have wanted to bring the one guy to the ground. why shouldn't they? in this position they could do the stomping and kicking that you speak of. Also, i can't see how being a STRIKER!! instead of a grappler would in any way help you to not get taken down by multiple attackers.
Kirves Posted December 22, 2003 Posted December 22, 2003 Only thing helping you when a gang wants you down to the ground is having very fast feet.
goshinman Posted December 22, 2003 Posted December 22, 2003 What was the ORIGINAL topic again Tapped out, knocked out, or choked out...Take your pick.http://jujitsu4u.com/http://www.combatwrestling.com/http://gokor.com/
Treebranch Posted December 23, 2003 Posted December 23, 2003 Venezolano said: cross that's ok, i agree with you, first thing i want to do in a multiple attackers situation is run, or leave of that situation fastest possible. And if i have no chance, of course, i would try to keep on my feet, but many times those guys are going to grab you, and take you down, so if you know how to grapple, you can have a possibilitie of escape. I agree with this statement you made, but there are many grappling arts that will work well in this situation. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
cross Posted December 23, 2003 Posted December 23, 2003 i can't see how being a STRIKER!! instead of a grappler would in any way help you to not get taken down by multiple attackers. If you can sense the trouble before your attackers decide they want to take you to the ground then you can hit them. Rather than take THEM to the ground which is according to you, the position they want you to be in.
Venezolano Posted December 23, 2003 Posted December 23, 2003 BJJ has best groundwork, so my first option would be this. of course there are other grappling arts, you have Judo for example, etcVenezolano said: cross that's ok, i agree with you, first thing i want to do in a multiple attackers situation is run, or leave of that situation fastest possible. And if i have no chance, of course, i would try to keep on my feet, but many times those guys are going to grab you, and take you down, so if you know how to grapple, you can have a possibilitie of escape. I agree with this statement you made, but there are many grappling arts that will work well in this situation. Valencia - Venezuela.
Treebranch Posted December 24, 2003 Posted December 24, 2003 Judo, Jujutsu, Aikijutsu, Chinese Wrestling, Greco Roman, Hapkido, Aikido, Shoot Fighting, Etc... "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Drunken Monkey Posted December 24, 2003 Posted December 24, 2003 why is everyone taking this so wrong? no one said that being a striker is SUPERIOR. i only submitted the mutiple attacker scenario to point to the one-on-one nature of bjj. ok, let's try this in very simple terms. for grapplers: when you engage an opponent you grapple. i.e get close and control. this takes x amount of time. for strikers: engaging an opponent is entering and hitting. this takes less than x amount of time (possibly). the basic reasoning is that against multiple attackers, you engage many times but against a different person. you can do this because the exchanges are a lot quicker (assuming you can put the guy down to the floor) and so, still standing, you simply move from one target to another. as a grappler, the moment you decide to engage, you are 'tied' to that one person. you don't have the freedom to escape from that immediate engagement. this is why treebranch and i say that bjj is primarily a one-on-one art (which Venezolano agrees with). there are many other little things that reinforce this but i think the basic premise is sound. as usual, i ask that if you disagree, feel free to tear my post apart. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
sano Posted December 24, 2003 Posted December 24, 2003 listen the gracies is nothing but hype. when every the media says somebodies good you fools always fall for it. they did the same thing with lebron james of nba, the rock of wwe, roy jones jr of boxing, bob sapp (eeck) of K-1 despite how many times that guy loses japan will still think he is the greatest martial artist of k-1 if you can call him a martial artist. hype thats whats been running this world watch give it about five years and a bigger and better hype would blow the gracies out of the water and nobody would remember them. falcon kick!!!
Drunken Monkey Posted December 24, 2003 Posted December 24, 2003 it's kinda hard not to know the guys who gave the world bjj. maybe one day, you will say something that has actual substance. it's easy to say that the gracies are nothing but hype but can you actually back that up? give a little detailed explaination to your statement maybe? without the ability to support yout points, you will forever be the nine year old kid who wishes he could be goku. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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