Drunken Monkey Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 no, i can't hit two people at the same time but i can move from trying to hit one to trying to hit another guy at the same time. can you switch from grappling one guy to grappling the other guy. once you grapple someone you are commited to that one on one situation. whilst i am standing up and trying to strike at two guys, at least i have the extra option to turn around and run. to put it this way, treebranch and i both attack you. i let treebranch grapple you cos he is better than me at it. i wait for you guys to be on the ground. whilst you two are occupied on the ground, i casually walk over and kick you in the head and stamp on your arms and kick you in the sides. that's the one on one aspect treebranch is talking about. sure, i don't think i can take two grapplers but then i wouldn't be taling two grapplers cos it would only take one to take me down. we're not talking about what is better. we are pointing out a weakness. if you can't see the scenario i am describing, there is nothing more i can say. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Venezolano Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 i can see the scenario you say, and you're right, but think about this for a while, what if those two attackers hug you? or take you down? if you don't know how to "grapple" you couldn't leave very weel from that situation i think.. and another thing, you say that if you're a striker you can switch to one person to another and in the worse case, you can run, that's right, but that if i'm a grappler while i'm "grappling" i could not do that? Well, it depends on your definition of grappling. grappling isn not only ground work, you can do throws from stand up and it's still grappling. Judo is grappling, and Judo doesn't focuses in ground work. do you get my point? Valencia - Venezuela.
cross Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 When you are on the GROUND ( the place bjj is designed for ) you dont have the option of running, unless you stand up first. That automatically gives a striker an advantage because they are already standing up...
Kirves Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 When you are taken down (which is easy to do unless you explicitly train in takedowns and counters to them) you either grapple with the guy or get up. In either case, you need to know how to fight on the ground. Usually the people who want to remain standing up, also don't train in takedowns and their counters, though that is exactly what they should be doing if they really want to use the "I remain standing up no matter what" -strategy. Just my 0.02
cross Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 What is to say that the person you are fighting will be trained in closing the gap and taking down?
Kirves Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 One of the known "habitual" attacks is just plain "run and tackle". You see it everwhere from schoolyard to ice hockey game. One of the common attacks by an untrained attacker is just tu smash into your midsection and tackle you down. Maybe he doesn't do it with the skill and finesse of a trained MMA fighter, but it is just as common a move as taking someone into a headlock, or throwing the infamous haymaker.
Drunken Monkey Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 ok, so if you can see the scenario then why can't you see the one on one nature of bjj? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Venezolano Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 Dude i see it, i haven't in any moment said that i don't, it's only that i laugh when other people say that with their styles they can handle multiple attackers, that's B.S Valencia - Venezuela.
cross Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 i laugh when other people say that with their styles they can handle multiple attackers, that's B.S I think what they were implying is that you have an advantage if you are on your feet and train specifically for that.
Venezolano Posted December 21, 2003 Posted December 21, 2003 cross that's ok, i agree with you, first thing i want to do in a multiple attackers situation is run, or leave of that situation fastest possible. And if i have no chance, of course, i would try to keep on my feet, but many times those guys are going to grab you, and take you down, so if you know how to grapple, you can have a possibilitie of escape. Valencia - Venezuela.
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