Treebranch Posted December 19, 2003 Posted December 19, 2003 No they didn't take the techniques from TJJ they either didn't understand or couldn't make work. For your information Budo Taijutsu is TJJ and we are evolving with the times and with incorporating weapons defences and gun training. Does BJJ? No, because it's one on one wrestling. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Venezolano Posted December 19, 2003 Posted December 19, 2003 LMAO!!! You know * about BJJ, go and read before talking stupid things. Didn't the Gracies learn from Maeda? don't? then from who? you? LOL They understanded the techniques, only that some techniques needed a big strong guy to excecute them, and since Helio is a weak man, he adapted them. What you say is absurd, why? because if they didn't tkae the techniques from TJJ either didn't understand or couldn't make work like you say, then from where did Gracies learn? TJJ still train with swords, and all those weapons that used in Japan's war, it's OBSOLETE, acept it. it makes me LAUGH OUT LOUD, that you say that BJJ is only 1 on 1 wrestling, for your information BJJ is divided in 3 parts: 1.- Sport Jiu-Jitsu 2.- Vale tudo 3.- Self-defense You can go to Gracies web site and then see what programs they have for self-defense, RAPE-defense, they train US Marines, so don't be a moron, and STFU and learn before talking things that you don't know nothing about it.No they didn't take the techniques from TJJ they either didn't understand or couldn't make work. For your information Budo Taijutsu is TJJ and we are evolving with the times and with incorporating weapons defences and gun training. Does BJJ? No, because it's one on one wrestling. Valencia - Venezuela.
Treebranch Posted December 19, 2003 Posted December 19, 2003 You don't know what you are talking about. You don't need to be strong to do TJJ. It really depends on what TJJ you are talking about. Budo Taijutsu doesn't use strength, it uses structure and balance. Dude you are completely ignorant and I don't appreciate you insulting me. You are so BJJ brain washed. You don't know what you are talking about. Dude believe me Budo Taijutsu self defense techniques are far more realistic the that horrible stuff in the Gracie Street Defense book. The striking we learn alone is very effective. If you saw it you'd say "Hey that kind of looks like boxing." So what if they train the Marines, what do the special forces guys train? What does CIA do? It's still a one on one MA no matter what you say. It's not practical by itself in Combat. Where is the training with weapons? Like the knife, stick, chain, rope, throwing weapons? What you don't think knowing how to fight with a weapon in Combat is important? You are the one being a Moron. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Venezolano Posted December 19, 2003 Posted December 19, 2003 lol, i can't believe you think that * of budo-taijutsu really works. I'm not saying that you need to be strong to do TJJ, so don't put words on my mouth. I'm not a BJJ washed, i only see what is useful, and all your kung fu * doesn't work. Of course that i know what i am talking about, i see that the Gracie does works, and it has been proved against many styles including your "deadly, and excellent system to beat 4564 opponents". I laught when i see those "self-defense" against swords, and that *, nowdays who the * is going to attack you with those things? For you, your art is very effective, i would love to fight with you to see. Instead, you say disarm an opponent, fight with somebody against a knife, would you really do this? fight with somebody with a weapon? You don't know what you are talking about. You don't need to be strong to do TJJ. It really depends on what TJJ you are talking about. Budo Taijutsu doesn't use strength, it uses structure and balance. Dude you are completely ignorant and I don't appreciate you insulting me. You are so BJJ brain washed. You don't know what you are talking about. Dude believe me Budo Taijutsu self defense techniques are far more realistic the that horrible stuff in the Gracie Street Defense book. The striking we learn alone is very effective. If you saw it you'd say "Hey that kind of looks like boxing." So what if they train the Marines, what do the special forces guys train? What does CIA do? It's still a one on one MA no matter what you say. It's not practical by itself in Combat. Where is the training with weapons? Like the knife, stick, chain, rope, throwing weapons? What you don't think knowing how to fight with a weapon in Combat is important? You are the one being a Moron. Valencia - Venezuela.
Treebranch Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 Dude I can tell you are still a kid. You don't have real experience and more than likely more than likely if you fought someone that had a knife it would be too late for you. You are too overconfident and you are looking at masters like the Gracie's at work and you think you can do what they do. Give yourself another 10 years and maybe you will be as good as the Gracies, but the way you talk I know fighting you wouldn't be a fight at all. You have no idea what I'm capable, but I can already see your weakeness. It would be too easy for me to psych you out. You say Budo Taijutsu doesn't work, how would you know? You only know what you've studied. You base your opinions on what you saw in a competition. You didn't formulate your opinions based on your own experience. That's just ignorant, you are still a child. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Venezolano Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 Dude, I don't care what you think about me, i don't have much experience in real fighting, but have some, but you are an ignorant when you said that if someone attacked you with a knife you could handle it. In none moment i said i was as good as a Gracie, i wish someday i be as good as they are, but now i am a beginner, but i know what my capabilities are, and i know i could handle promedium people who doesn't know anything about ground fighting (like you) on the ground. I base my opinions in what i've seen, in combats in NHB fights that i've seen (and not in UFC exactly). You don't know anything about BJJ, you demostrate it when you say BJJ is only 1 on 1 wrestling and you don't know how it's structurated. So, keep going on the topic of the thread. Valencia - Venezuela.
Treebranch Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 O.K. I'll get back to the topic, yes BJJ would still be in the dark due to the fact no one would see it. UFC was a great place for them to showcase their skills. It's amazing what they have done. But nonetheless it is still primarily a one on one type of groundfighting art. It is not complete and I feel if they just added the strikes and kicks of TJJ it would help round it out a bit more. I think it needs to evolve into that so that you don't need to cross train. As long as they use the proper training methods I think it would be awesome. Venezolano don't be so sure I can't fight on the ground. I am much more familiar with BJJ than you will ever be with Budo Taijutsu. My friend teaches for the Machado Bros. I can learn what you are learning, but you don't have what it takes to learn Budo Taijutsu, it's beyond your comprehension. Sorry bro, the truth hurts I know. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Venezolano Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 Believe me, i don't need that * case closed Valencia - Venezuela.
Drunken Monkey Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 so if you don't need that * then why do you list tkd and karate as your other styles? anyway, here's a little question. how many people can you take on (or attempt to take on )at any one time in bjj? you can only grapple with one person at a time until he is unable to continue before you move on to the next person. any striking art is immediately more rounded for actual street defence because you don't have to focus on a single person as much as you do when grappling. i say bjj is too focused on ring fights. i'll admit that i don't fancy my chances against any of the gracies but i'm sure they wouldn't fancy their chances against more than one serious attacker. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Venezolano Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 I list them because i practiced them when i was younger, before i knew that bjj existed. and you can strike two or more persons at the same time? do you think you can handle multiples attackers situation? BJJ was created to self-defense, so people could defend them-selves in Brazil's streets, which are very dangerous and street fights were very common, so it's absurd to say that bjj is too focuses on the ring Valencia - Venezuela.
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