Which art (under these "rules")

[delta1]

Kirves, you don't say what striking art(s) you do, but most have stand up grappling in their system if you look hard enough. I know several people who have used different striking styles effectively in both police and security work, where they operate under the same constraints you listed. So you might not need to go to another style if you first look deeper into what you already do.

 

Also, you don't say what training you've gotten for this job. If you weren't trained in forceful aprehension and detention techniques, you might consider some sort of police training. Your employer may be able to enrol you in an academy, or there are several private schools and contractors. I've trained with and dummied for police officers, and they have some good moves (to which I now know the counters ). Their stuff is designed to be effective, but quickly learned, and meets your (thier) requirements. This would be a good way to quickly get a practical base, and give you time to evaluate other arts and then train up to a good level of competance.

 

Failing that, some of your local police might want a training partner and be willing to teach you. Typically, the ones who want to continue to train will already be in an extra martial arts program any way, which would kill both birds with the proverbial single stone. You get effective, job specific training as well as a new style, all in one convenient package.

 

Just some thoughts. I don't envy anyone in high profile security work these days. It's tough enough without the surveilance, biased or ignorant witnesses, and sheister lawyers. Another option might be to get a job where you man a sleeping- I mean perimeter watch post.

[SevenStar]

the striking arts kirves has done may very well have grappling tactics, but if it's a striking art, then they don't focus on them. Better grappling training would be received from grappling art.

[Kirves]

I have done kali with heavy emphasis on strikes to weak targets, plus I have done Kyokushin karate with absolutely no grabbing allowed of any kind (IKO 2 kind when that was existant). I also have other experience, but it is not continuous, just "spent some time there".

[delta1]

Kirves, the FMA's have a lot of traps, locks and controls. They have some good grappling, both stand up and ground work, if you can find a school that teaches it. If you can find a Kali Jukune Do school anywhere within traveling distance, it would be worth looking into. But they aren't that common. Modern Arnis does a lot of locks and they are much easier to find.

[JerryLove]

Where does it say that should be away from ground

"it is a plus if it helps you put the guy flat on his stomach so you can cuff him "

choking es #1 choice? WTF?

 

You are misquoting... and please try to use full sentances.

In Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu you can apply many submissions holds (armlocks, kneebars, footlocks), but choking as #1 choice? who told that to you? i see that you don't know * about BJJ...

No one told it to me, that's why I didn't say it. I can see you know very little about reading. BJJ was your number one choice. BJJ is well known for choking. You are failing to read the sentance properly.

[Kirves]

Let's not get too personal or emotional about these issues, gentlemen.

[Sasori_Te]

I believe he's dicussing the rules under which a security guard acts. These rules are the same rules that the ordinary average citizen must adhere to since security personnel don't have any more use of force rights than an ordinary citizen. My advice to you is this, call the police unless you are working personal protection security. Then you have to make the decision whether or not the assailant means you or your primary any harm. THe basic rule is this. If you a valid reason to fear for your life you are authorized to use deadly force to control a situation. Other than that you are not allowed to use any more force than is reasonably necessary to control the situation. Most any jiu jitsu style can get you there. As much as I despise rcommending it to anyone, you might want to also check out CRT ( I think that's the name) training. IT specifically is designed to use pressure points and joints locks to control an opponent. I'll qualify this by saying that I never ever would recommend anyone going to one of these one or two week courses and thinking that you can actually walk away with the knowledge to defend yourself or someone else. IT takes lots of repetitive training to be able to respond to an attacker instantaneously. Good luck in your search for instant answers. If you find one that works let me know. I'd be interested.

[JerryLove]

Actually, someone deliberately entering a situation (police and usually security) are under more restrictive rules for use of force than civillians... though this varies very heavily by juristiction, and it would be irresponsable to attempt to tell someone the legal requriements online as there is no single set.

[Kirves]

Laws and regulations vary so much according to where in the world you are, that I wouldn't come here asking for actual legal advice. Especially as there aren't many here knowledgeable about the laws in my country.

 

The training we have gotten basically adressed just that: the law. We get minimal physical training at all, so we are on our own as far as fighting capabilities are concerned, but we do get the necessary legal lessons. And then there's the way the law is commonly interpreted, of course. When the law says "one can use necessary force" it is up to the court to say what is necessary and that is where I got the "rules" mentioned in the first post of this thread in the first place. I didn't make the rules up, it is how the court seems to see things for us security people here.

 

For example, there have been some cases where a guard or police officer has used a choke hold or a headlock, and the suspect has been crippled or killed for some reason (either too much force was applied or for too long, or the suspect in a drug-assisted-rage just resisted too much for his own good), and for that reason we are quite easily screwed if the doctor finds any signs of post-choke trauma in the suspect. On the other hand, breaking the suspects arm in an arm lock / arm bar is no big deal, as it seems easy for the court to understand that the guy had an option of surrendering, yet decided to struggle and that is why his arm was broken. Yet nobody's life was threatened because of that and so the guard/police didn't do anything to blame them for.

 

So what I'm looking for, is essentially a one-on-one art (if there is a multiple situation, I get backup and will use my baton/spray), where I get to learn all kinds of takedowns, armbars, locks and holds, and I prefer training against resisting opponents.

[Scorcho]

Aikijitsu.

 

It has the non-violent approach of Aikido, blended with the easier to learn Ju-Jitsu.