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Okay, the basic question: which art suits best?

 

Requirements:

 

- doesn't take 10 years to learn enough for it to do any good in a situation

 

- must be realistic enough for professional use

 

- helps you get the job done when the rules (the law) are these:

 

- allows taking control of opponent without doing much damage to him

 

- no hitting is recommended, absolutely no hitting in weak targets such as face, throat, neck, groin, etc.

 

- any attacks to the throat (including chokes, strangulations, etc.) are discouraged

 

- it is a plus if it helps you put the guy flat on his stomach so you can cuff him

 

Notice that these "rules" apply basically in a one-on-one unarmed situation. Striking, choking and other rules can be bent a bit easier if the situation is extremely dangerous such as there are multiple opponents or weapons involved. Basically the job is to subdue the target person, without damaging him, without braking too many of the rules above, and then holding him up until the police or other help (collegues) arrive.

 

Please elaborate on "why" and tell if you work in any security -related field and/or have used the stuff in real life or if you are just making educated guesses or stating your opinion.

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Judo...

 

Contains good throws, takedowns, pins, locks and doesnt focus on striking.

 

I might also say aikido, but generally this takes a long time to become good at.

Posted

uh?

 

Where does it say that should be away from ground?, choking es #1 choice? WTF? what the * are you talking about?

 

In Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu you can apply many submissions holds (armlocks, kneebars, footlocks), but choking as #1 choice? who told that to you? i see that you don't know * about BJJ...

 

Chokes are includes, and you can apply them when you have the opportunity, but that doesn't mean that your principal goal will be choke your opponent.

 

Another thing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu applies to all Kirves requeriments:

 

"- doesn't take 10 years to learn enough for it to do any good in a situation "

 

- BJJ doesn't take so much to be "decent" effective on the ground, and "survive" there.

 

"- must be realistic enough for professional use".

 

i doubt there is a more realistic system than BJJ, and this has been proved during years.

 

 

 

"- helps you get the job done when the rules (the law) are these:

 

- allows taking control of opponent without doing much damage to him "

 

That's the goal of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

 

"- no hitting is recommended, absolutely no hitting in weak targets such as face, throat, neck, groin, etc. "

 

There are no strikes to that targets in BJJ.

 

"- any attacks to the throat (including chokes, strangulations, etc.) are discouraged "

 

Many times you don't want to hurt your opponent by breaking an arm, a leg, etc, so if the person is too rude, if you choke him out, you'll put him to sleep until police arrives, or whatever authority.

 

"- it is a plus if it helps you put the guy flat on his stomach so you can cuff him "

 

If you know how to move on the ground, you can easily sweep your opponent (if you've got on your back), or inmediately you are on the ground adopt a dominant position.

 

 

 

 

Interesting that you pick an art known for being on bottom, being on the ground, and choking as the #1 choice (you did qualify) fo someone who needs to avoid chokes, stay off the ground, and be in the top position.

Valencia - Venezuela.

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Don't know, ask Kirves :D

 

He asked for a system with that features and i told him some.

Valencia - Venezuela.

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