Drunken Monkey Posted December 27, 2003 Posted December 27, 2003 the dream thing is a common chinese myth. it's kinda a common thread in chinese buddhist/taoist myths; y'know, moments of enlightenment. drunken style (the proper one that is) has moves that are based on the immortals but as far as i know isn't from the 8 immortals. y'know, this in itself is kinda odd cos drunken style is a shaolin style and while the 8 immortals are part of chinese buddhist mythology, some of them are taoist characters.... anyway, trying to find out more, will let you guys know if i dig up anything. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
SevenStar Posted December 28, 2003 Posted December 28, 2003 naturally, the 8 immortals thing is a myth - there are several legends of the origin of drunken style though. There is also the one that states a monk was kicked out of the monestary and returned while drunk, killing over 30 monks. When he sobered up, he recalled what he had done and honed his skill. As a side note, drunken isn't taught as a style itself, typically - it's a subsystem found in longfist schools.
Zhong Gau Posted December 9, 2004 Posted December 9, 2004 liu he ba fa shuai chiao xingyi chuan bagua tai tzu baji that's half a dozen - he may have different ones in his list. isn't liu he ba fa from omei mountain? the buddist nunery? where wing chun is rumored to have been created? Ah! Mantis Grasshopper, i think you would do very nicely on a bowl of rice!
Zhong Gau Posted December 9, 2004 Posted December 9, 2004 (edited) drunken style (the proper one that is) has moves that are based on the immortals but as far as i know isn't from the 8 immortals. y'know, this in itself is kinda odd cos drunken style is a shaolin style and while the 8 immortals are part of chinese buddhist mythology, some of them are taoist characters actually, mon kai dai, the eight immortals are a taoist homogenisation of society into eight classic faults that keep people from attaining enlightenment. the Faults are immortal, persistent, timeless and more difficult than your last opponent.... the story about the drunk was an abbot who disturbed the guards and laid them out, the ruckus woke almost everyone else. of course, they died and he began a life of carousing to try to learn what it was he did right the first time. Historically, drunken style is a result of the shaolin system absorbing ba gua principles and is part f the 3rd choy li fut tradition inheritance that yip was preserving. i think it was one of the five 'principles' in his repetoire/exam. Edited December 10, 2004 by Zhong Gau Ah! Mantis Grasshopper, i think you would do very nicely on a bowl of rice!
Hudson Posted December 10, 2004 Posted December 10, 2004 The story as I know it is mythological, when 8 immortals went to a banquet and became intoxicated, and when the guards tried to capture them (with malicious intent) they developed a new style on the spot. As far as the mantis style, the story I hear from that is there were two masters, who sparred over 100 times and the one always came out on top. the winning one left for a while and the losing one was troubled until he saw a mantis fighting (something) and win, and then proceded to capture mantis to study their behavioral patterns, and understand how he could apply the mantis claw using a human hand. Winning monk comes back, they spar, and he is easily overtaken by the mantis style, and voila, mantis style kung fu. The game of chess is much like a swordfight; you must think before you move.
SevenStar Posted December 10, 2004 Posted December 10, 2004 the winning one left for a while and the losing one was troubled until he saw a mantis fighting (something) and win, a cicada.
Zhong Gau Posted December 10, 2004 Posted December 10, 2004 (edited) Hudson, Chat Tsing: I too have heard that variationof the origins of drunken, almost as a buddist 'mishnaic' explanation of the story as expressed to us. interesting variation on mantis style origins. i think a happy middle road can be extracted from the propaganda of both. Edited December 12, 2004 by Zhong Gau Ah! Mantis Grasshopper, i think you would do very nicely on a bowl of rice!
Zhong Gau Posted December 10, 2004 Posted December 10, 2004 one thing we should all keep in mind about kung fu myth and legend is that these stories come from a basically oral tradition. and by looking at all the legends of a certain myth a truth may be extrapolated: in the case of drunken style it appears a monk had a good night out came home and taught some folks a thing or two. The manner in which the wisdom of the style's technique and the events is conveyed depends upon the story teller. Ah! Mantis Grasshopper, i think you would do very nicely on a bowl of rice!
drunkendragon Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 Drunken boxing has many name and many styles. drunken boxing drunkard boxing drunken kung fu and many more As for styles there are 8 derived from the legend of the eight immortals i cant remember the names but i know some of them one guy is holding a pot one guy is playing a flute theres a girl with flirty moves i guy with a powerfull throat lock a guy with a strong right leg i cant remember the rest there are lots of theories on its origins such as the drunk monk one and the banquet one but i prefer the 8 immortals version i was studying drunken boxing while i was studying tai kwon do but my master got cancer and he is currently recovering so i took a break and got out of shape im currently getting my body refit and preparing to start up training again a boat can float in water but it can sink in it to
battousai16 Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 hm... i could have sworn i read somewhere that jackie chan made that up for the first movie... can't quite remember, though. i've mostly heard the banquet story and the on where the monk gets drunk and kicks the crap out of the other monks. "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
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