Venezolano Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 No they didn't. Guard already existed in Judo, only that it wasn't used with often. Gracies modified Ju-Jitsu from Maeda to make it work for weak persons (Helio is a weak man), and focuses it more in ground fighting, they developed some new techniques from all positions, but positions like itself almost all were already created. Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotokanwarrior Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 So they just found new ways to apply old techniques. Maybe they did not come up with the guard they sure make it popular, and I mean everyone knows about it. Where Art ends, nature begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 They modified some techniques so a weak person could execute them, and also invented some. Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotokanwarrior Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 nothing is new it is just modified. Unless you have 3 arms and three legs. Where Art ends, nature begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Nothing? so all the sweeps there are in BJJ are from JJJ?, spider guard also? Yeah! for sure... lolnothing is new it is just modified. Unless you have 3 arms and three legs. Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotokanwarrior Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 what? like you find in judo, wrestling, karate, pankration, like I said, you take a move, add your own thing so it is modified with a new way to apply it. or be more specific. Where Art ends, nature begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 No no, where have you been spider guard for example? or all the sweeps that there are from there? Tell me, i want to know Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotokanwarrior Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 so basically out of the whole art you are saying only the spider guard and the sweeps that you can do from it, are the only thing that the gracies invented. Where Art ends, nature begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venezolano Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 But you said: "nothing is new it is just modified. Unless you have 3 arms and three legs." "so basically out of the whole art you are saying only the spider guard and the sweeps that you can do from it, are the only thing that the gracies invented." you're contradicting yourself Gracies took Ju-Jitsu from Maeda and adapted it to weak persons can use it, and it can be usefull to Brazil's street fights, and, like it's always evolutioning, each time more people invent more things. Valencia - Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotokanwarrior Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 no I was trying to understand what you were saying. In my opinion they took the guard that you said was from judo and tweeked it and came up with the spider guard. So the original guard was looked at as a basic technique and they applied some modifications and created a different technique. in a way it is new but it still came from something old. People do this all the time and say they invinted something never seen before, but I say once you reach a certain level you can tweek a move on the spot to apply it many ways, even if it looks different that the original move. Where Art ends, nature begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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