shotokanwarrior Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 I know how good grapplers are, but I was just wondering is there any TMA people out there who have defeated a grappler for real? If so tell us about it. Where Art ends, nature begins.
aznkarateboi Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 Well, Steve Jennum, a ninjutsu practitioner won UFC 3.
SBN Doug Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 You may want to refine your question a bit. Japanese JJ is both taditional and grappling. Depending on you definition of "grappling", so are Aikido and Hapkido. Kuk Sool Won - 4th danEvil triumphs when good men do nothing.
shotokanwarrior Posted December 17, 2003 Author Posted December 17, 2003 Ok lets say bjj and wrestling. Where Art ends, nature begins.
TJS Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 Well, Steve Jennum, a ninjutsu practitioner won UFC 3. he won by taking his opponet down and achieving the mount position. he also won a fight or two by arm-bar....sounds like a grappler to me.
JohnnyS Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 Are you talking about MMA competition? BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
aznkarateboi Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 Well, Steve Jennum, a ninjutsu practitioner won UFC 3. he won by taking his opponet down and achieving the mount position. he also won a fight or two by arm-bar....sounds like a grappler to me. well, he's still a traditional stylist. who says traditional styles can't have grappling?
Warp Spider Posted December 18, 2003 Posted December 18, 2003 I guess it depends how far you want to extend the concept of what's "grappling" and what's not. Surely an armbar or ground submission is grappling but what about a choke? Does throwing someone to the ground and then choking them qualify as grappling? Also as far as traditional/"standup", does that just include punches, kicks, elbows, etc, or does it also include throwing, trips, sweeps? And under what category does things like a fishhook fall? Paladin - A holy beat down in the name of God!
JohnnyS Posted December 18, 2003 Posted December 18, 2003 How many traditional styles teach a strategy of takedown, mount and armbar the same way as BJJ? BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
JohnnyS Posted December 18, 2003 Posted December 18, 2003 Warp Spider, What else would you call throw, groundcontrol and choking other than grappling? That's the very essence of grappling - look at Gracie in Action and that's pretty much all the Gracie's did. BJJ - Black Belt under John Will (Machado)Shootfighting - 3rd Degree Black BeltTKD - Black Belt
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