pvwingchun Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 Wing Chun in the ring, how effective? Not very, not what it was developed for. Have you used it effectively and if so how did you adapt it and still maintain principle? It is hard enough to spar with because of what is taken away. Your opinions please. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
TJS Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 Muay thai was designed for the military wheni t was created. so was Tae Kwon Do , Jiu jitsu was used by samurai. Most Martial art's were not designed as sports, it just happens some do better than other adapting ot them.
pvwingchun Posted December 10, 2003 Author Posted December 10, 2003 TJS I understand what you are saying. But I am talking about the present not the past. Wing Chun has not been modified or adapted to work in the ring at the present time so how much would you or did you have to change it to work in the ring. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
shotokanwarrior Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 If you change it for the ring I feel that you must dilute it or water is down like most arts have done for it to work. This is not what it was designed for. One thing you will have to change is the stance. Where Art ends, nature begins.
aznkarateboi Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 actually, if you change it for the ring you have to take out what doesn't work and practice what does work like crazy.
shotokanwarrior Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 taking things out water it down. your no longer learning wing chun as an art. Where Art ends, nature begins.
Drunken Monkey Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 i don't buy into the 'wing chun not good in the ring' argument. if you take out the core principles and apply them correctly, there is no reason you can't make it work. wing chun is about intercepting things that enter our gates then hitting over/under when we have control or when we see/have an opening. it doesn't matter if the thing is an arm or leg we will deal with it. i don't see how being in a ring changes that. unless of course by 'in the ring', you mean having rules imposed on us. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
1ONEfighting Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 "unless of course by 'in the ring', you mean having rules imposed on us." There goes your deadly eyepoke. All is lost. Trainwreck Tiemeyerwishes he was R. Lee Ermey.
Drunken Monkey Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 well that's one of the arguments i hear all of the time.... if the wing chun guy has to use things like that to win a fight then i would say his wing chun isn't all that great. think about it. three forms. three fundemental moves, 18(ish) derived from them, countless combinations of these, all applicable with different footwork, an entire form of loose techniques on the dummy and you can't win a fight without poking the other guy in the eyes? the same goes for elbows. i'll admit that losing the use of elbows makes things 'slower' but what about the most basic weapon we train with? from day one we use the punch. if you can't spar without using elbows then what does that say about your basic moves? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
1ONEfighting Posted December 11, 2003 Posted December 11, 2003 Another issue with it would be adaptability. Most martial arts claim to be able to adjust to any situation. Sometimes you do have to take it down a notch and adapt to a less lethal situation. Say a close friend is drunk and gets angry and you become the focal point of that anger. Are you going to gouge his eyes, elbow his face into a fine paste and cave his kneecaps? NO. You aren't ALWAYS attacked by a group of thugs with bike chains and broken bottles, no matter what you tell the other guys in the bar. In a ring, your opponent is not your enemy. Most likely, you know the guy, you've met him a few times, had drinks after shows, etc. You have to have the self-control to limit the techniques you would use on your opponent, and exploit the holes in his game with the tools you have left. If your art can't do this, your art lacks basic adaptability and lacks self control. Is that a complete art? Trainwreck Tiemeyerwishes he was R. Lee Ermey.
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