battousai16 Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 ideally, in hwa rang do, you're relaxed in everything. in fact, i just kind of assumed that was true of all styles, since, y'know, the longer you're tense, the faster you'll get tired. my legs tend to be tense, though, just from that stance. i can't get comfortable in it! and then when i relax my legs, my back isn't straight anymore, gah! my biggest problem with punching as of right now is keeping my elbows in and striking with the bottom 3 knuckles. in hwa rang do you do the first 2, and well... yeah. oh, and hitting to the same spot, and keeping my center closed, and.... "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
wing chun kuen man Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 .....That is all wing chun principles and concepts etc. You will find them strange in the beginning but eventually you will get used to them and will understand their function and relevance. Remember that in Wing Chun the defense of the central line is an "obsession" and so in many ways the penetration and attacking the central line. If in theory, you come up against a good wing chun fighter and you expose your central line to him you will be done for no matter the school of fighting you belong to. As far as relaxation is concerned at least in my branch of Wing Chun you need to be extremely relaxed in your techniques more so than a few other martial arts that I know of. Anyway, please try to stick with it inspite of its "strangness"....if you do , then it will be well your worthwhile. Wing Chun Kuen Man Real traditional martial arts training is difficult to find.....most dojos in the west are Mcdojos....some are better and some are worst....but they are what they are....do you train in one?
Thaegen Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 Hmm it's indeed a very strange postition, when you are in that stance. It's really hard to do it good. Hmm, I don't know how other train their WT, but we do really a lot of Lat Sau. Mostly 1 hour each lesson.. and we spar a lot. 1 is a boxer the other Is the WT guy. Chi sau is later... I have just started to learn the Chum-Kiu form.
Drunken Monkey Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 Remember that in Wing Chun the defense of the central line is an "obsession" i'm gonna pick at this and say that it is closer to being that in wing chun, you obsess over controlling the centre. not sure if you do this but there are times that you 'give up' the centre in order to be able to regain control in a stronger position. but then again, this is something that i've only realistically done during poon sau. can't really imagine me doing it in any other situation..... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
aefibird Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 ideally, in hwa rang do, you're relaxed in everything. in fact, i just kind of assumed that was true of all styles, since, y'know, the longer you're tense, the faster you'll get tired. my legs tend to be tense, though, just from that stance. i can't get comfortable in it! and then when i relax my legs, my back isn't straight anymore, gah! my biggest problem with punching as of right now is keeping my elbows in and striking with the bottom 3 knuckles. in hwa rang do you do the first 2, and well... yeah. oh, and hitting to the same spot, and keeping my center closed, and.... battousai, I can sympathise with you there. As a recent 'devotee' of WC I found it totally alien at first to what I've always done in Shotokan. What? No chambering of the fist? What, no horizontal-fist punching? What, not loud kiai every other minute?? I've only been training in Wing Chun for a few weeks, but I'm already starting to get used to it. Training in WC after first training in another style is a hard step to take (as Drunken Monkey has pointed out), but I'm sure that if you persevere with it then you'll soon adapt to it. I'm finding that even after only a few weeks of training I'm looking at my Shotokan techniques and re-evaluating them in the light of what I've learned so far in WC. That's not to say that what I've learned in Shotokan is wrong or ineffectual compared to WC...it's just different. Good luck with your Wing Chun training, I hope that you stick with it! (them we can be the clumsy beginners of Wing Chun together... ) >BTW, Monkey, you been to the Post Office yet?? :D "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers!
Drunken Monkey Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 tomorrow.... i promise..... i've made the big step of buying the padded envelope and writing on your address. but the big problem is that my local post office is also the local main post office. last week, the queues went outside the building and it took me nearly an hour to get to the counters. but then that was also road tax week.... it is always super busy. anyway... I'm finding that even after only a few weeks of training I'm looking at my Shotokan techniques and re-evaluating them in the light of what I've learned so far in WC wing chun has a way of doing that. i think some of it is cos of it's inherent 'simpleness'. some of it might be because it is quite different compared to most things out there and it acts as a very useful counterpoint. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
battousai16 Posted September 5, 2004 Posted September 5, 2004 well, see, now i have to get extrememly good at Wing Chun, just so i can spite the style for giving me so much trouble. i'll show it... then we'll see who's boss... "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
47MartialMan Posted September 7, 2004 Posted September 7, 2004 Are all WC dummies made the same per strinking/limb positions?
pvwingchun Posted September 7, 2004 Posted September 7, 2004 not sure if you do this but there are times that you 'give up' the centre in order to be able to regain control in a stronger position. Hey Drunken whats up haven't posted in awhile. I used to think this also. This is what I was taught. Even the drills we did taught us this. Why? It is just a drill I was told. Why teach someone to give up center and tell them it is just a drill, it goes against principle. Then as an instructor I honestly couldn't do it anymore. You never intentionally give up the center. At all times maintain control of your opponents center. IT will happen that you may lose the center but you must regain it as quickly as possible. But never intentionally give up center. It is all in the feet. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
Drunken Monkey Posted September 7, 2004 Posted September 7, 2004 that's why i said 'give up' (cos what you give is fake) and also why i say that it isn't defense that you obssess over, rather it is control over what is and what is perceived as the centre. during poon sau, there are times when you can present your partner with a false centre, so to speak. y'know, step off side and apply pressure to feed off the wrong arm kinda thing. in most cases, it is just a shift of stance or a half step or even just uncrossing your arms (hello biu gee....) but like i also said, i've ever only really been able to do this during poon sau. when it gets more hectic, i tend to rely on structure to take care of things and just let things 'spring'. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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