Darth Paul Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 Viontro In the case of the two schools I've trained in I'd have to agree with that as a general rule. The Wing Tchun class had us doing light sparring with slap blocks, angle arms, and chain punches in the first two weeks. The TKD school made us wait for four months and then we couldn't even touch each other sparring in full gear. This may not be the case for all TKD schools and that could affect the outcome of a match.
Drunken Monkey Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 well, that kinda boils down to wing chun needing a reference in the form of another moving human being to understand how it works. you won't learn wing chun if you don't actually try the moves. the move being right or wrong depends so much on how you execute it under pressure and the size, aggresiveness, strength of the opponent, that if you don't practice it against a person , you won't actually learn it. instead you'll just be making shapes with your arms. also, wing chun is very much a close up game and most people have no idea just how close a wing chun guy likes to operate. this is why we tend to get you facing an opponent/sparring partner as soon as possible so that you get used to being so close to the other guy. the slap block, i'll take to be the pak sau + punch drills. this is probably the most basic exercise but also one of the most useful (as you can probably see having done it...). it trains opposing motion of both hands, open hand+closed hand, line, stepping, receiving, closing, angles, stance, timing and acts as a base for future reference. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Darth Paul Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 the slap block, i'll take to be the pak sau + punch drills. this is probably the most basic exercise but also one of the most useful (as you can probably see having done it...). it trains opposing motion of both hands, open hand+closed hand, line, stepping, receiving, closing, angles, stance, timing and acts as a base for future reference. Yep, that's the drill. Autodefence is very westernized so we don't use all the chinese terminology. My teacher, however, did spend 10 plus years in Sifu William Cheung's lineage before switching to Autodefence a few years ago while doing graduate work in Scotland. We call chi sau 'detection hands', pak sau 'slap block', bong sau 'inverse angle arm', siu lum tao 'new thought form' etc.
superfighter Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 i do agree wing chuns focus is on closing the gap and using there close range skills, ive done it for 5 years before and it is very effective. It is however very unadvised to assume that every tae kwon do practioner is only going to kick, some are exremely effecient punchers moreso than kicking and therefore should not be underestimated
Drunken Monkey Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 y'know, after five+ years doing this, i still find the pak sau drills the most 'intense', especially starting from stationary. i still get caught mid thought and end up failing to step to the right place and my stance collapses or i can't even get that first step off properly.... that '0-60' thing is probably the most undertrained thing... anyway. always good to hear from anotehr wing chun guy. oh, a little question i like to ask. during sticky hands (poon sau) do you go softly yip chun style or heavy forward yip ching style? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Darth Paul Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 That's very true superfighter. The TKD master I trained under was every bit as adept with his hands as he was with his feet. I guess a lifetime of practice will do that for you.
Darth Paul Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 during sticky hands (poon sau) do you go softly yip chun style or heavy forward yip ching style? I'd like to give you an educated answer to that but I've only been doing Wing Tchun for a few months. The founder of Autodefence, Master Nick Smart, came up in the lineage of Master Leung Ting's Wing Tsun. So if you know how they do it, I would imagine we do things the same way. Sorry I don't have more info.
Drunken Monkey Posted February 17, 2004 Posted February 17, 2004 fair enough. in any case, good luck with training. have fun. keep punching... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
SevenStar Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 I see Taekwondo as a sport, where you go to tournaments and fight using those unrealistic high-kicks. I think that if you want to show off your TKD, you make advanced flying-kicks. In Wing Chun, when you want to show off your WC, you beat someone to the ground in 3 seconds. the connotation of sport is irrelevant. judo, muay thai and bjj are all sports, and I would pick them to win over most TMA any day. As for tkd, not all of it trained in the way you have experienced. I know this from experience.
shotokanwarrior Posted February 21, 2004 Posted February 21, 2004 will it be hard for someone like myself who has done shotokan, cross over and do wing chun? Where Art ends, nature begins.
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