Drunken Monkey Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 so what are you talking about? jing, ging, or jeng? in any case, the word 'jeng' (assuming we are talking about the same thing) doesn't really mean anything without a prefix or suffix. by itself it is simply 'subdued' (closest thing in english). 'fa jing' which stold gave away to you means fully 'subdued energy'. tell me, which one sounds like what you hear? just to confuse you some more, there is actually two possible things you are trying to talk/boast about. one means 'release energy' the other means 'calm energy' anyway, tai chi does not use jing, is it kung fu? lee gar kuen does not use jing, is it kung fu? pheonix eye does not use jing, is it kung fu? the article was written by a guy who know mantis but it he didn't mention anything about 'jeng'. like i said, he was describing body mechanics. as i have said before. if what he was talking about is your 'jeng' then i concur that the kickboxer is indeed doing kung fu because he does use his mind, body and energy in his strikes. i still say, let me see the word you are failing to talk about. if your 'teacher' is from taiwan then he should be able to write it for you. scan it. put it up. let me read it. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stold Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 "Shi Heng Che Featherweight Registered: Jul 2003 Location: Posts: 82 Status: Offline Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Fa Jing is common to several Chinese martial arts both in internal and external family. The Taiji Fa Jing strike is famous because of its immense power over a short distance. Long fist boxing is well known for its long range Fa Jing power. Fa Jing in Chinese means to radiate strength. The actual meaning is explosive power. The movement is different in different styles but for Shaolin LuoHan Chuan a Fa Jing strike is achieve by moving the body forward with left hip forward and both arms back and then shifting right hip forward left hip back and arms go forward as you step to generate a whiplike motion for a sharp penetrating strike. Breathing correctly is the most important part of this technique." So this is inaccurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryLove Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 "jing" is an expression of energy. "fa" or "explosive" is one expression of energy. https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 i'm going to be honese here and say that i just don't like how breakdancer (formerly know as whitemanwithchineseaccent) posts. go read the first post of this thread again and tell me how it sounds to you. * * * anyway. y'know, i never thought of using the word 'radiate' before. good one. anyway, like i keep saying, it is always hard to translate from chinese to english as a lot of the 'words' are actually descriptive as opposed to being pure noun. take the the two characters for banana for instance. the first simply means fragrant. the second is a descriptive word for a type of fruit/vegetable. only by having the two together does it mean banana. * * * back to this. 'fa' ('faat') means radiate/expend/release 'jing' means subdued/given/presented i'm not too keen on 'explosive power'. it (and breakdancer) kinda suggests that it is a move or something that defines what kung fu is. i'll say again. it isn't the move itself, rather the result of moving in a certain way. if you look at the second part of that quote, what he describes is basically using your turned stance to add more torque to a strike. nothing mysterious about it. it is pure body mechanics (like the guy whose article he pointed to describes). you can't call the move itself the 'fa jing', rather it is the outcome that has added 'fa jing lik'. make sense? tell me if i'm getting confusing... back to how we treat 'fa jing'. when we move (especially when training) we aim to use as little strength/energy/force as possible, apart from whatever is required to hold and maintain structure/position. when we reach out or retract, we still try to use as little as possible until the very last moment; the last 6 inches we like to say. it is the 'stillness' before the 'rush' that defines our 'fa jing'. 'fa jing lik' is supposed to come from nothing. (hmmm, beginning to see where 'explosive' fits) like i say, maybe he and i are talking about two different things. i'll ask again, show me the character and i'll tell you what it is. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakdancer Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 nope your wrong, i never said it was a move and if i did, i meant a way to issue power, you cant describe it in words totally, if you could then there would be no reason to go to a school, i'm tired of trying to explain it to you, but kickboxin is the master art created by Chan Kung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 but you haven't explained anything yet. you made a statement that if you don't know what 'jeng' is then even if you have spent i don't know, 9 odd years doing kung fu, you aren't actually doing kung fu. and you can describe it. if the things in the article is what you call 'jeng' then 'jeng' is simply body mechanics. in other words, you use more than just the muscles in your arm behind your strikes. you used the distinction that 'jeng' is what makes kung fu different from kickboxing. but refering to the article, it seems like kickboxers (as well as almost every other martial art) uses similar principles. in that case all martial arts is kung fu (which strictly speaking, is true). still waiting to see the word.... anyway, who's your teacher? the one from taiwan that is. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryLove Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I believe he's trolling DM. https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 i know... must be a friend of sano's. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasori_Te Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I'm going to play devils advocate here. Drunken Monkey, couldn't any master in any field be reffered to as a kung fu master? kung fu is not solely a martial arts term is it? A block is a strike is a lock is a throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasori_Te Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Here's a link. Check out the definition. http://www.wckfc.com/article/kungfu/kungfu.htm A block is a strike is a lock is a throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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