Wing Chun - Pros and Cons

[cymry]

actual cage fighting is as close to street fighting as it comes

 

Obviously you guys have never heard of Geoff Thompson's Animal Day sessions.

[Icetuete]

i think since wing chun is developed for fights in narrow areas, it delivers a good and pracitcal self defense. sometimes there simply is no room for a roundhouse kick or something. and since wing chun covers different fighting ranges (at least to a certain extent) it is a well rounded system.

 

although no system can prepare you for the street perse and still, anything might happen

[jeffrogers]

Alot of good principles in Wing chun, but again at heart I am a grappler so I would have to modify the wing chun to deal with those situations as I would train with other styles. I liked hte accoutn of the boxer against the WC practioner. interesgting! -JEff

[pvwingchun]

jeffrogers

 

The thing you have to realize is that Wing Chun principles apply to the ground as well you just have to get down there and practice applying them. Wing Chun is driven by principles not techniques. Very little adaptation is needed. The problem comes in when you start to restrict Wing Chun principles by applying rules to the game, throw the rules out the window and Wing Chun principles shine.

[Drunken Monkey]

more than anything, wing chun is about principles.

 

the techiques we learn are not the be all and end all of wing chun.

 

you can learn the moves and the forms and drills but if you don't understand the principles behind the techniques, it is practically useless.

 

however, if you know and can follow the principles 100% then it doesn't matter if you are standing or on the floor, using wing chun 'moves' or not, you will be defending yourself easily.

 

of course, that's why we train.

 

part of wing chun training is learning how to prevent your opponent from adhering to the principles.

[jeffrogers]

You can still change the look but keep the same concept can't you? That is what I mean. Not every instance youc an shut down a grappler before he shot in and has a hold of you. So you would have to learn to drop your base and sprawl on top. Unless you two no of a diffrent option that you have worked against good college level wreslters or good grapplers in general that is effective for you. If so great lets hear it? I am open minded enough to try diffrent techniques and see what works for me.

 

-Jeff

[Drunken Monkey]

not sure what happened but i had a grappler run into my knee as he rushed in once.

 

not saying that it was anything more that sheer luck but in taht instance, i 'won'...

 

as for being on the floor and trying to grapple.

 

well, you seem to be forgetting the fact that you are taking a primarily stand up art that trains mainly in striking and putting the guy on his back.

 

that is like me asking a wrestler to put on boxing gloves.

[pvwingchun]

We actually train groundfighting about every third week. It is more of the principles that come into play on the ground than the techniques. We practicing defense against the take down. What happens if you get knocked down and are on your back and the attacker is still standing. We also train for what happens after you have been taken down and have to fight on the ground. I know it is cliche but most of what we train for these situations would not be allowed in a match with rules.

 

It really is about principles not techniques on the ground.

[Drunken Monkey]

just to add to my post.

 

my point is in its basic nature (and the way it is taught) wing chun can't really cope with grapplers once on the floor.

 

that is why we try to not be on the floor.

 

i am aware that most of the time, if the guy wants you on your back there isn't a whole lot you can do.

 

it is for that reason that a lot of people, in their search for an answer, step outside of their original art, be it wing chun or shotokan or tkd and take up a grappling art.

 

what you have to be aware is that this isn't because the grappling art is 'better' as such, rather it is 'better in a certain situation'.

 

let's just take an example.

 

i get attacked by a relatively untrained guy.

 

using my wing chun, i take the guy out simply and quickly.

 

the same guy attacks you.

 

using your grappling, you take the guy out simply and quickly.

 

we both get the job done.

 

anyway, to pv.

 

i was with one of ron heimberger's students for about a year and i remember grappling sessions approximately once a month (on a purely voluntary basis).

 

who do you study with?

[jeffrogers]

Steve Farnworth student under "Wellington "Megaton" Diez heard of him?

 

You have your points drunken monkey. I started my training inentialy in Kempo. Well technically in TKD. But at age 11 years old and only doing that art for a year and pretty much forgetting it after that I don't really count it. I also done in my profile hakutsuru. What not mentioned some kick boxing and some Ed parker kenpo. Then BJJ.

 

You have a point. For example if you ever watch Pridefc that is a japense mma event. Guy named Vandereli Silva is outstanding striker. if he goes against grapplers he uses the sprawl and what he knows to defend the submissions and get away and back on his feet were he prefers to do his damage.

 

I don't think bjj is the end all be all of fighting neither do I think mma shows aspects of street fighting because of the rules. You will see grapplers run into that knee or into something. Bjj isn't famous for its take downs alot of its practioners go to Judo for (gi) take downs and or wrestling.

 

Prime examples are pride video's of Royler Gracie running several times reaching to take sak down only to get clocked. Also Renzo did it to a very good wreslter and fighter named Dan Henderson. He shot into hiim but he was to far back and you can see it a mile a way. Dan sprawled same time throwing a short but sharp uppercut knocking Renzo Gracie out cold. His stragey renzo tried to go to the ground several tims in the fight they did go to the ground but soon as they were there Dan would stand up out of Renzo guard each time and back away to strike agai. Good stragey!

 

any way I enjoys these conversatitons. -Jeff