martialartsresearcher Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 this may sound a bit small-minded. but whatever dosen't bend breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryLove Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Actually, it just sounds like a generalization https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffrogers Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 Unbendable arm is broken arm if you apply arm bar. -Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoshi Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 You wont see anyone try the unbendable arm in a BJJ or Judo tournament. A kung fu or Aikido masters arm would break just like anyone elses. The older and more masterful they are, the easier the arm will break. Just pulling on someones arm is not the same as a technically correct arm bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryLove Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 Properly, unbending is a quality that [someone using an appropriate art] should have "on" and in their wohle body. It is not to be used as a "technique" or a counter to anything, though it does make manipulating the person using it more difficult. https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Warlock Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 Agree with Jerry. To take a demo and place it in an armbar, is to take it out of context. The unbendable arm is a 'demonstration' of a principle that does have application, if incorporated into your entire mindset. It is not limited merely to the arm, nor... in application, is it blatantly exploitable. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aikidoka Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 From my personal experience of using the unbendable arm, I have allowed several friends of mine to try and reverse my elbow, or apply an armbar, and they have been unsuccessful. If you were to fully lock out the arm, contracting the triceps to the full extent, then the elbow could be easily reversed, and the arm broken. The defence of the elbow joint is in the arm being bowed, or slightly bent. I cannot explain the technique in terms of ki, or in simple mechanics, other than to say that visualisation is used to employ the muscles in a way that does not directly oppose the agressor's force. If you hit my elbow with a sledge hammer, I doubt that my ki would protect me. In addition, if I was in a position where an armbar had been applied, and I was immobolised on the ground, while I may be able to protect my arms, my Aiki would be of little use. The conflict would be already lost. This is not based on rigorous study, nor am I greatly experienced in Aikido (I have studied for three years), but I hope these comments may be of some interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 we did this as an exercise when i first started MAs. it was really weird at first .. i had a guy about my height and weight almost swinging on my arm ... there is some explanation but truth is i just cncentrated and relaxed my arm .. it wouldn't move!!! Orange sash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryLove Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 The defence of the elbow joint is in the arm being bowed, or slightly bent. I cannot explain the technique in terms of ki, or in simple mechanics, other than to say that visualisation is used to employ the muscles in a way that does not directly oppose the agressor's force. BTW, their counter to that is to shift directions of force and stop trying to overpower the arm. Then you get a joint hyperextension, though not always the elbow. Depending on your skill at maintining it, they could also just hit you and then immediately go for the arm break. https://www.clearsilat.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Yes, the famous "unbendable arm" in Aikido. A local Aikido instructor demonstrated it. Been there. Done that. It bends. Another Ki parlor trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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