Bl4cKtH0rN Posted November 28, 2003 Posted November 28, 2003 Was I looking at some katas of gichin funakoshi, and did see high bases, but because today in Shotokan it is used low bases? Somebody answers me please!!!!!!!! "Someday, I'll be the most powerfull jedi ever..."
Jussi Häkkinen Posted November 28, 2003 Posted November 28, 2003 In some situation Funakoshi used high stances, in some situation he used low ones. The stance heights do vary in old Okinawan kata. Recently (in 1900's) the stance heights in Japanese karate were standardized (at least in Shotokan) and kata did lose a lot of its liveliness. Funakoshi's karate was generally Anko Itosu's Shorin-Ryu. Modern Shotokan, however, has changed via the influence of Yoshitaka (Gigo) Funakoshi, Gichin Funakoshi's son, and via the JKA's (and other Shotokan organizations) standardization process after Gichin Funakoshi's death. Generally, stances became lower, wider and longer, kata became less pliable (but more athletic) and techniques, such as blocks, became a bit stiffer and reached longer. You might want to check out http://www.shorinryu.dk/film/03%20-%20Pinan%20Nidan.mpg to see an Okinawan way to perform a Pinan Nidan (known as Heian Shodan in Shotokan). Only technical differencies are the beginning - Funakoshi opens his kata with a low block - and the end - Funakoshi replaced the low knifehand block with high knifehand blocks. Otherwisely...well, that's how Funakoshi's kata has been in Okinawa. Compare it to the modern day Shotokan. I'm sure you find the difference interesting. (Performer in that clip is Jim Sindt from Copenhagen Shorin-Ryu Dojo, who teaches Matsubayashi-Ryu in Copenhagen, Denmark). Jussi HäkkinenOkinawan Shorin-Ryu Seibukan Karate-Do (Kyan Chotoku lineage)TurkuFinland
G95champ Posted November 29, 2003 Posted November 29, 2003 Shotokan uses the low stance for building leg muscles. Funakoshi was very clear about this. Read his 20 preceps. (https://www.faka.com). The thinking is if you can learn to move fast low then when you go high in real life you will be that much faster. Funakoshi never said fight down here. He said train there to build mental and physicall toughness. Nothing more nothing less. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
Bl4cKtH0rN Posted November 29, 2003 Author Posted November 29, 2003 Thaks "Someday, I'll be the most powerfull jedi ever..."
Sho-ju Posted November 29, 2003 Posted November 29, 2003 Was I looking at some katas of gichin funakoshi, and did see high bases, but because today in Shotokan it is used low bases? Somebody answers me please!!!!!!!! It was Gigo's idea.
Jussi Häkkinen Posted November 30, 2003 Posted November 30, 2003 It was Gigo's idea. Partially you're correct. However, several Okinawan and Chinese styles have used stances as a physical excercises. I believe that Yoshitaka (and Gichin) may have incorporated that idea via Gigo's several trips to Okinawa. Also, I wouldn't count the general trend towards the athletic karate training (that did spread from universities) as an unsignificant source for more physically demanding stances. And well...since the kata were altered (and practically no applications taught) in Shotokan, I would easily believe that the manouverability and pliability of original stances could be thrown out the window, as well. Jussi HäkkinenOkinawan Shorin-Ryu Seibukan Karate-Do (Kyan Chotoku lineage)TurkuFinland
ESA-Shotokan Posted December 20, 2003 Posted December 20, 2003 I always thought it was Yoshitaka Funakoshi who introduced the deeper, stronger stances to shotokan, as we know it.
Sho-ju Posted December 21, 2003 Posted December 21, 2003 I always thought it was Yoshitaka Funakoshi who introduced the deeper, stronger stances to shotokan, as we know it. I think Yoshitaka is the same guy as Gigo...
kule_guy17 Posted December 21, 2003 Posted December 21, 2003 g96champ, i couldn't get that https://www.faka.com website to work.
G95champ Posted December 23, 2003 Posted December 23, 2003 Im sorry i hit the wrong key lol https://www.fska.com (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory."
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