wing chun kuen man Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Talking about waits, In the style of Wing Chun that I practice we do not do any weight training, this is to minimize muscle mass build up. We are even carefull with the frequency of press-ups that we practice during a week. However, we do a lot of resistance building exercises which create maximum muscle definition with minimum muscle mass built-up. Less muscle mass for us equals to more speed in punching which combined with body unity contributes to more power. Wing Chun Kuen Man Real traditional martial arts training is difficult to find.....most dojos in the west are Mcdojos....some are better and some are worst....but they are what they are....do you train in one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevilAside Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Ever seen a baseball pitcher flex his arm? ...Yeap, they can throw those balls at 90mph though. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 I don't think it should be weight train, it should be resistance training. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Seven Star you think 285 pound bench press is a good strength indicator? Why don't you try to do 20 one arm push ups, 20 handstand push ups, 20 pull ups, one arm pushups with someone sitting on your back, one legged squats, one arm handstand push ups, one arm pull ups, 100 pushups, 20 fingertip push ups, tiger bend handstand push ups, 500 hindu squats, 50 hindu push ups. I've known plenty of power lifters who got whooped in fighting, in competition, and on the street. Heaving a weight isn't the only way pal... The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 it's not about power lifting at all, really. it's pure strength training. plenty of strength no bulk added, as with bodybuilding, or as you see with some power lifters. If you have heard of PTP, then you have some idea of what I mean. bodyweight exercises are fine, but they don't offer progressive resistance - eventually the resistance level ceases, and all you can do is add more reps - making it an endurance exercise. the two aren't directly related. there are people who can do 100 pushups, but can't press 150 lbs. there are people who can bench 300, but can't do 100 pushups - you are training different things there. However, to address your challenge. I can do 500 hindu squats, 20 handstand pushups (against a wall), can do 20 fingertip pushups and once upon a time could do 50 hindu pushups - I stopped doing them. I stopped doing so many of the squats because they started irritating my knee. we do all of these exercieses (minus one arm pushups and fingertip pushups) in my bjj class and many of them in my muay thai classes. In judo, we do neither - we do more judo specific stuff. when the day is over, I still prefer weights. bodyweight exercises aren't the only way, pal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Talking about waits, In the style of Wing Chun that I practice we do not do any weight training, this is to minimize muscle mass build up. We are even carefull with the frequency of press-ups that we practice during a week. However, we do a lot of resistance building exercises which create maximum muscle definition with minimum muscle mass built-up. Less muscle mass for us equals to more speed in punching which combined with body unity contributes to more power. Wing Chun Kuen Man a few old myths referred to in there.... 1. lifting doesn't have to make you bulky - it's all in how you train 2. size will not severely hinder your speed, unless you are HUGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Ever wear an 80 pound weight vest and try doing those? Just as progressive as weights. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 the heaviest I've worn is a 50. In a few weeks, I will own a 40 - it's hard to find an 80. regardless, weight vests only get so heavy - I don't think I've ever seen one over 100. Once again, a lower limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 You can get weight belts, PP2 for push ups and dips, many ways to get more, even more than in the weight room. Seven, what do you think is a measure of strength? The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Warlock Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hmm, i'm wondering if this discussion has been converted into a testorone contest. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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