Treebranch Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Kirves do you happen to have the names of The Koryu arts? Just curious. I'm not much of an aficionado. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Jussi Häkkinen Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 https://www.koryu.com will help you there. "Ryu guide" gives you a description for a wide array of koryu styles. Jussi HäkkinenOkinawan Shorin-Ryu Seibukan Karate-Do (Kyan Chotoku lineage)TurkuFinland
Treebranch Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 Thanks bro. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
mya Posted November 6, 2003 Posted November 6, 2003 For me that ninjitso is just some hollywood thing the guys invented to promote movies. Anyway. | \|/ http://koryu.com/library/ninjutsu.html Ninjutsu: is it koryu bujutsu? by Diane Skoss We've been accused of unreasonable prejudice against the popular "ninjutsu"-derived arts. Simply put, it is our opinion that modern-day ninjutsu and ninjutsu-derived arts are not koryu bujutsu. They are not based on a continuous transmission of technique and culture. Koryu.com covers koryu bujutsu. That doesn't mean that arts we don't cover are not worthwhile. We just don't cover them. Given that this is my site, I think that is my perogative. Let me say this again, since it seems some people don't understand. Koryu.com does not cover ninjutsu! The art and those derived from it do not fall into our definition of the koryu bujutsu. Period. If you want to define the koryu differently, that's fine. Just don't ask us to change our definition, which is based on considerable first-hand experience and decades of research in Japanese source material. Please do not trouble yourself to write us to try and convince us to change our minds. It will not work. We have made every effort to be as low-key as possible on the issue of "Is ninjutsu koryu?" We do not stress or advertise our position. That's because we sincerely believe that if your training is working for you then it is none of our business. However, if you come to us and ask whether we consider ninjutsu or the Bujinkan-derived arts to be koryu--well, we can only provide our honest opinion. Please, please, please don't waste your time or ours. We really are familiar with the material relating to this issue; unless you happen to be a Japanese scholar who delves into ancient makimono, you won't turn up something we haven't seen and considered. Again, just because we don't share the same opinion doesn't mean that we are not all doing useful and good training. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu. I really appreciate your consideration!
Kirves Posted November 6, 2003 Posted November 6, 2003 They are quite correct, Bujinkan is not koryu, it is a style founded two or three decades ago. But Bujinkan is based on koryu bujutsu.
Treebranch Posted November 6, 2003 Posted November 6, 2003 So are you going saying there was never any Ninjutsu Ryu in practice in Japan during the Warring States Period? "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Kirves Posted November 6, 2003 Posted November 6, 2003 I said, the ryuha that form the foundation of Bujinkan are koryu.
Treebranch Posted November 6, 2003 Posted November 6, 2003 Yeah, I know what you are saying. I'm not talking about Bujinkan, I'm talking about Ninjutsu Ryuha did they exist before the Bujinkan? Or do the Koryu have Ninjutsu Ryuha in them? I hope this is clearer. Check this out what do you think? http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~jimgould/ohistory.html "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Kirves Posted November 7, 2003 Posted November 7, 2003 Of the nine koryu in the Bujinkan, three have ninjutsu in them, so yes, there was ninjutsu before Bujinkan. If you want information on ninjutsu history, please check this out: http://www.ninpo.org/ It has a good history page, and also has translations of old and authentic ninja texts, like Ninpiden and Banshenshukai.
Treebranch Posted November 7, 2003 Posted November 7, 2003 Thanks Kirves. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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