Drunken Monkey Posted October 29, 2003 Posted October 29, 2003 well, if you're talking about wing chun, emin boztepe made a challange but no one took him up on it... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Sho-ju Posted October 30, 2003 Posted October 30, 2003 A link was posted on sherdog.com that had a emin boztepe challange match. It was a while ago but he was smoked. You can also see him get dusted on video if you down load on kazaa. I typed in kung fu...
Drunken Monkey Posted November 17, 2003 Posted November 17, 2003 been looking but i can't seem to find any of these things you mentioned... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Sho-ju Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 log onto to winmx and type in kung fu. i down loaded him fighting a chinese wing chun guy and the chinese guy swept him and did a ground and pound UFC style. Good stuff, OSU!
bluez4u2 Posted November 25, 2003 Posted November 25, 2003 Anti grappling is merely learning how to relax your limbs and make them very flexible so that when you do get grabbed they will not be there. What I mean by that is that they will feel like they slipped out of your hand and targeted your face. Wing Tzun training teaches your limbs to be like a strong spring. If you compress it and then let go it will spring back at you. If you compress it at a certain angle, it will eventually spring loose and smack you. In a similar fashion, the Wing Tzun practitioners limbs (arms and legs) act the same way. More advanced practitioners not only make their limbs this way, but also their entire body. They become very elusive and slippery when grabbed. A Wing Tzun person does not want to grapple because then he can't strike. That's why we do anti-grappling. Our forte is to strike when in close range. The grappler wants to get close and grapple to prevent strikes from hitting him, but he has to be careful with a good Wing Tzun person because he will likely have a hard time controlling him initially. If the WT person is stupid and starts playing the grapplers game, then he will loose. It takes lots of training and skill to be able to get good at anti-grappling skills. That mainly comes through the practice of chi sao and realistic training against attacks similar to what a grappler would attempt. Grapplers are tough and we realize that, but they aren't invinsible.
SevenStar Posted November 29, 2003 Posted November 29, 2003 Other more traditional systems on average will take longer to become effective, yet the skills picked up there will be more lasting. I do apologize for veering way off topic. Why would you think they are more lasting? I would disagree with that.
SevenStar Posted November 29, 2003 Posted November 29, 2003 I am sorry to report that the people you see on T.V. in the UFC and the like... do not represent the average martial arts practitioner. The avg sport fighter that I know trais his butt off. Why? because he knows that every competitor out there is training just as hard, if not harder. I personally spend 20-25 hours a week training. The TMA guys I know do nothing close to that. I know there are some out there....somewhere, but the avg. sportfighter that I know trains much harder than the avg. traditional guy that I know.
SevenStar Posted November 29, 2003 Posted November 29, 2003 That mainly comes through the practice of chi sao and realistic training against attacks similar to what a grappler would attempt. Grapplers are tough and we realize that, but they aren't invinsible. "similar?" My suggestion would be to forget similar and go for actual. You're defeintely on the right train of thought, but I would actually go train with a grappler, not someone who is trying to do a few techniques that "look similar" to what a bjj guy would use.
Stold Posted December 4, 2003 Posted December 4, 2003 JerryLove is correct. I don't have any experience with WC anti grappling, but from what I have seen...I can't say that I am impressed. Really, WC is FINE as a standup style. But if you want to learn to fight on the ground and resist takedowns the best thing you can do it learn the grappler's game. Once you know their game you can understand their goals as well as their techniques and use appropriate action to stop them.
cymry Posted December 4, 2003 Author Posted December 4, 2003 IMO, you're most likely to be attacked by someone with little or no MA experience, and anti-grappling is an effective way to counter the type of crude grabs and holds used by these people. For a grappler - better get good at grappling, but even then I'd try to keep them at bay with strikes.
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