Treebranch Posted October 28, 2003 Posted October 28, 2003 LOL!!! Nice! "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Reklats Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 Maybe if there are only two people, what if there are three or four? What if there are 8 or 9? What if they have guns? What if they have light sabres?! What if they use the force!??
Treebranch Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 My point is if you are on the ground, how can you run if you need to? Star Wars sucks by the way. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Reklats Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 Going back to your original numbers- if there's 3-4 people that want to kill you, you're screwed no matter what. No style is really going to help you fight and win. A grappler can run away just as well as a stand up guy. Star Wars RULES. It makes GREAT off teh wall examples.
Treebranch Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 Not when your busy grappling on the ground. Get real dude. GJJ is designed for the ring, that's all. Is it good?, yes. But there are better more realistic fighting arts out there. In real life you have to worry about the possibility of other people getting involved. Especially when you are beating the crap out of their friend or bother. So are you saying that never in the history of mankind that one man has never survived a fight against 3-4 people? I'll give you the name of a man who has, Takamatsu Sensei. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Reklats Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 Here's an excerpt from a biography of Takamatsu Sensei: "After Takamatsu Sensei arrived at that spot, he spent most of his time on his back and could get around only by crawling. He would wash his rice in the river and just leave it on a rock in the sun to split open, and he would then eat it. One day, Old Man Tamaoki came and found him there and told him that he had tapeworms . "We’ll have to get rid of them," he said, and started to chant an incantation. Well, Takamatsu Sensei had his own ideas about such things and apparently said, "Come on, old man, you don’t expect that to work, do you?" By that time, he didn’t care whether he died or not. But a week later, a huge tapeworm – almost the size of two bowls of noodles – came out of him." Anyway besides for THAT... Brazilian jiu-jitsu wasn't designed for the ring, it just happens to be good in the ring. It's good in the ring because its an incredibly effective combat system. What would a BJJ person do when confronted with 4 people out to get him? Punch the nearest one in the face and run away. What would any other art do differently to be more effective? Chi attack the nearest one and then run away?
Treebranch Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 Yeah, that's cute. Anyway it's not a good combat system by any means. It is ground fighting, probably the best. You can't run away in combat or you will be considered a coward and be executed. BJJ is good in the ring because it's limited and works well one to one. If you train one to one, you will be good one to one. If you train one to one and mulitple, you will atleast have a better chance than someone who doesn't. By the way most Combat Systems teach weapons along with the hand to hand, BJJ does not. It is not a complete Combat System, it is only part of a whole. That's why NHB fighters mix it with stand up arts, hence MMA. Sorry, but this is in no way to discount the specific effectiveness of BJJ or GJJ. Have you studied any other MA besides GJJ? If not then I would like to discuss this with you after the fact. I haven't had the time or money to study GJJ, if I did I'd add it to my repertoire. http://www.geocities.com/bnyd/page6.html Read more about Takamatsu here on this link. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
Reklats Posted November 6, 2003 Posted November 6, 2003 How would you realistically train multiple attackers? The whole BJJ training idea is that you're better off having a bunch of less-deadly techniques that you've practiced hundreds of times against a FULLY RESISTING opponent- As opposed to having a battle plan where you'll do the "deadly leopard eye claw strike" on the first guy, then the "perilous rhino groin stomp" on the next attacker, followed by a "floating swallow cranium plunge" on whoever is foolish enough to oppose you next, without ever having REALLY practiced any of them because they're "too deadly." I don't think anyone could train attacks by multiple opponents well because you'd have to dispatch people as quickly as possible, which you cant do with training partners.
Venezolano Posted November 6, 2003 Posted November 6, 2003 I was wondering how people say that their style is prepared for "multiple attackers", when they can't deal either with one attacker. I think there isn't any style that can't garantee you that you'll be prepared for mulltiple attackers, that is * IMHO. Valencia - Venezuela.
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