MMouse Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 I think where he was going with the inexperienced fighter was this. Alot of training is done in a certain manner where you are fighting experienced fighters. They carefully select their movements. Someone who is inexperienced can be dangerous because it is unknown territory to alot of people. They will make wild movements, wild punches or anything else unknown. It is that factor that can make them dangerous. PROPER training can help that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hajime Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 I think where he was going with the inexperienced fighter was this. Alot of training is done in a certain manner where you are fighting experienced fighters. They carefully select their movements. Someone who is inexperienced can be dangerous because it is unknown territory to alot of people. They will make wild movements, wild punches or anything else unknown. It is that factor that can make them dangerous. PROPER training can help that. I understand the point but say this: they can dance around, charge, throw all the wild swings they want. One good reverse punch to their nose/ kick to the groin and they will stop unless the are drunk/on drugs! just as a skilled boxer can hit more powerfully than someone untrained so can a well practised martial artist 700 hours of official training. Injury finished me dammit!1st Kyu Wado Ryu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battousai16 Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 i'm surprised no one's said this yet; "i am my own worst enemy" it's usually my fear or doubt that hinders me, not the skill/lack-there-of of the other person "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Who_Fights Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Topic, inexperienced fighters are tricky and kind of go crazy when they charge in throwing punches from odd angles. This makes sparring against them tricky, but in a real fight it is a different story, fortunately. This is because they always leave themselves open, their strikes tend to lack power, and their strikes tend not to be aimed at crucial targets. One of my beginning students charges in with lots of punches, some of which are tough to block because of the odd angles they come from. The great thing is that, since they are from such odd angles, it is nearly impossible for even an experienced fighter to put power into those particular punches. So rather than an "odd angle", perhaps I should call it a "bad angle". So even though I don't block that particular punch well, I only come away with a tiny bruise on my hip (he is using very ill-padded gloves and high contact). So it is nothing I need to worry about. I just pop him with a cross when he keeps throwing that punch because it leaves him open. So althoug hbeginners are tricky to spar against, they are easy to fight. Free online martial arts lessons at https://www.intellifight.com (updated regularly)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Mendiola Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Whod do you think is youre worst enemy? Tall, short, unexperienced fighters etc? For me, it has to be mostly the unexperienced fighters. reasons: They just charge at you without thinking twice and start throwing punches that mess up youre movements and rhythm. They also arent disciplined which leads to going crazy and just swinging at you. A disciplined fighter will most likely charge at you in a controlled manner and throw a kick or punch and then back out which is much easier, and there is a controlled rhythm with a controlled fighter. What is your worst enemy?true and the unexperience fighter just throws all wild but you can get a hit in easier. the disciplined fighter will charge in there fighting position and start bouncing all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coudo Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 My worst enemy... well I actually dont have a worst enemy, but ofcourse I'll chose to fight a unexperienced or untrained fighter anyday. I have sparred against unexperienced guys and they are litterrally nothing in a fistfight, their speed is lousy, their footwork doesnt work at all. Due to their lack in footwork they cant really genrate any power into their punches. This is ofcourse from a boxers point of view; if you go against an unexperienced fighter then try to avoid difficult kicks (by that I mean kicks that get you off your balance). Balance is wery important in a fight as we all know, and especially important against an UE fighter, since they dont have the balance. The balance allows us to circle the opponnent, and if they are unable to circle while we are able to, then the fight is already won. If I take my own experience with sparring UE guys: A tall guy came at me; 200cm long (Im pretty short; 167cm), he started throwing jabs and hooks against me and he didnt get any power in his punches at all, I was free to move against him while defending without having to worry about any punches stopping me, I could circle the guy while throwing in a few easy light punches every now and again, he wasnt able to touch me at all (other than my defence). Also, my trainer, who was standing close by the whole time, told me to only use my left hand against the others(UE guys). There is no greater enemy, than the one more experienced than you! finally I want to say, as I often do; Noone that is unexperienced can beat a trained martial artist in a fight, also noone can beat a boxer in a fistfight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CsrCrz88 Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 i'll say someone realy fast and a long reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenris-wolf Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 i'm surprised no one's said this yet; "i am my own worst enemy" it's usually my fear or doubt that hinders me, not the skill/lack-there-of of the other person Definately, Battousai! I have been thinking a lot about the contribution of your mental game in a competition recently, and I would have to say it is the single most important factor in winning a fight. It mostly came down to me reflecting on my own lack of fitness. This is how I view it: 1. Mental game -without it, no matter how accomplished you are, you cannot win. When you become afraid, or angry, when you lose control of the situation, you're half-way to losing. You see it in a person's eyes, when they start backing away, not responding to attacks, clearly worrying about what the other person is doing rather than what they are doing. 2. Fitness -unfortunately for me, no matter how polished your techniques may be, they ultimately fail when you are too tired to use them. Darn. 3. Everything else! -technique is incredibly important. I have seen very unassuming looking guys (and women!) beat some of our biggest members when sparring because they have beautiful technique. But as I said, without mental game and fitness, you're screwed. Wow, I'm so easily distracted! Anyway, back to the topic at hand: while obviously an experienced practitioner is going to quickly be able to assess the situation and deal with an untutored opponent with relative ease, if you have not been in many contact situations (no matter how pretty your katas may be - not that I'm anti-katas, I promise!), it is very easy to be intimidated. I know that personally, despite being relatively good at Muay Thai, when someone just runs at me and flails around I find it very hard to deal with! And another practioner of your art is going to be "easier" to fight in some ways, of course, because you're in your comfort zone, and they spar/fight to pre-established patterns (to one degree or another) with which you are familiar. Finally, I completely agree that sparring is very different to full-contact, which is of course different again to no-rules street fighting! When you're trying not to hurt someone it can be very challenging. Like the way my bf (who also practices MT) has realised if he stands back and does lots of little girly slaps (which he finds highly amusing ) I find it difficult to do anything, since I don't really want to knee him in the gut. Well, that's my 2c's worth, congratulations for anyone who actually read all that! Let Us Turn The Jump Rope In Accord With Socialist Principles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coudo Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 when someone just runs at me and flails around I find it very hard to deal with!Ofcourse, this is difficult if you want to jump, or kick but when it comes to boxing its different. I guess this is why boxing is such a good MA for training street fight. In boxing you train exactly for having good balance while avoiding and protecting yourself from a charge, when a beginner charges, no matter how strong he is, he will go right past me (like a bull runs past a bullfighter), while I still have a perfect balance. Or I could choose to just take one step back while he flails and looses his balance, then hit him... I especially wouldnt fear a person who flails in the air while comming at me, cause thats just ridiculous. Remember everybody, why do we train martial arts if an unexperienced fighter inserts fear into us... then we have already lost the "Mental game" like Fenris-wolf said... and then the fight is already half lost. And to all of you out there who truely are afraid of UE fighters, think again... We are trained fighters they are not, its that easy. The reason for that they flail is because they dont know what they are doing, since we know what they are doing wrong, we know how to easily stop them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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