shinbushi

to answer your question, yes I've seen these events and my younger brother's first fight was against Anthony Hamlett who went against Royler Gracie in it one year, and yes, my brother won.

GZK, what girl from your school competed in it? I know Cindy Hales, who competed in it and was kind of a favorite but did it soon after a ovarian cyst surgery, if memory serves me right...kind sux, but she didn't make any excuses. Here, https://www.cindyhales.com I think is her site with some footage.

As a Muay Thai person you should know that in Thailand they'll say a lot of the punches in English. Thai language doesn't have a good word for uppercut and hook. "Madd"(punch in Thai)can only be used so much. In Japan I've heard English and Nihongo be used for punches but I don't like mawashi tsuki being used for hook, it just seems weird when I think of it translated. I can't really say for other countries since I've only trained in Thailand and Japan, and by no means do I speak much more than just the terminology for Muay Thai and Karate in terms of speaking Japanese and Thai.

Yeah, it's based on his savate, muay thai, combat judo, and his own principles but he never called it "kickboxing"...I've read every black belt article he's done, especially since they've reprinted the one he did in '73 or whenever it was. Thank god I have a photographic memory, anyhoo, he never called it kickboxing. Muay Thai is not kickboxing, neither. I've never heard a savateur call what they do kickboxing, too.

I know what bobbing and weaving does, I've trained in boxing, too. I know what it's supposed to do, I also know what a 360 spinning airial kick is supposed to do but you won't see hardly anybody in Muay Thai do a "butterfly kick" or whatever you want to call it(even though my first coach and I have). The thing is, it's risky, it's boxing and meant for boxing. Show me examples of someone using bobbing and weaving in high level muay thai, please. "Westernized" Muay Thai? do you mean more like Eurasian style kickboxing? Any Muay Thai modified in the USA isn't really known to be good, the USA is the worst country for Muay Thai fighters, no joke. "Dutch Style", "eurasian" seen a lot in France..However, the USA does have world level MMA fighters. For Muay Thai, we have Duane Ludwig...and? yeah, a few guys that might make it to the k-1 grand prix. We don't send fighters to Lumpinee, Rajadamner, m-150, kratingdeng, toyota marathon, etc. Perhaps I'm wrong and you're right, we should send someone that bobs and weaves to duke it out in Thailand! BTW, I don't count the ISKA as a high level of muay thai nor kickboxing, even though they televise the fights. I'm talking more around the level of the WMC and a few others including K-1(even though it's mod).

that is exactly what it is. And if your footwork is good, it will work. if it didn't, it wouldn't still be taught and used. the thread isn't geared at any specific technique against a southpaw, so what I mentioned is v alid. It's only taught against a puncher, and it's very basic, it's taught to beginners, it's not taught to use against anybody that works combinations well. I wouldn't have taught it to any of my fighters, but I had my fighters fight in Muay Thai fights, go figure. Once again, it's a boxing tactic, remember that.

It's his style of pankration that he founded in 1968 and mu tau is a Greek acronym meaning martial truth. It is not a style of kickboxing but Arvantis has trained in Savate and Muay Thai. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that it was a style of kickboxing when Arvantis is known as "the father of Pankration". Is it because it's spealled mu tau vs. muay thai? they're not pronounced the same, oh well.

It doesn't sound like any full contact I've ever done, neither. I trained briefly in a Korean style that was close to where I lived a decade ago that did train full contact. They even wore the chest protectors you tkd'ers wear but no shin pads and had leg kicks, neck kicks, head kicks, knees, throws, take downs. It's too bad they weren't that good at it but the effort was nice.

Pankration being the first mma can be argued but what I would say is that I don't think any school teaches true Pankration. Arvantis did his best to reconstruct it and other schools teach more of a homiglation of catch as can catch wrestling, submission wrestling, bjj, "muay thai", kickboxing, boxing, wrestling all in the mix. In truth, Karl Gotch(rip) had a lot to do with Japanese pancrase's roots.

Yes, please practice bobbing and weaving and try them on someone that's good at muay thai, you will eat knees and kicks that were meant for the body right to the chin. One of my old training partners that was defending his north american muay thai title for the 4th time, tried to bob and weave, ate a body kick right to the chin and got ko'd. He's not the first I've seen this happen to, neither. I have seen it happen, that's why you don't see many good pro thaiboxers and fighters that fight thaiboxers try to bob and weave. It's great for boxing, though! For anything that involves combinations with kicks and knees, slipping works much better then bobbing and weaving. Bobbing and weaving really is meant when you're fighting someone that's primarily a puncher. I'm glad I realized this at an early stage or I would have gotten KO'd when I used to compete in muay thai.

He was also in "The last dragon" and I'm not sure which ISKA fight you saw of his because I saw him fight years ago on an ISKA promotion and the fight looked worked, bad...real bad. I forgot the name of the TV series he was on as a kid, too.

This is very basic and won't work on an advanced opponent that offers more than just boxing as a weapon. This is boxing 101, keeping your lead on the outside. You have to watch out for the plok/push and the tok/moving, the dtae/roundhouse, kao/knee, etc. Along with the strategies that put it all together. If all you wory about is circling around and keeping your lead foot on the outside you will get pegged by someone that works combinations in Muay Thai. It really comes down to what kind of oppnent you are facing. Are you facing a kicker, clincher, puncher, someone that works all 8 limbs of muay thai?

I dunno, I always use mcdojo for a school that hands out black belts to people that are nowhere near a real black belt level. I don't attach age as the requirement of a good teacher; a 25 y/o can be a good instructor. Unfortunately, a lot of schools that teach high volumes of kids gravitate being a mcdojo in order to cater to the kid's and there parents so they can pay the bills of the school. Now, before someone misunderstands what I just said, I'm not saying every school with kids is a mcdojo, just that A LOT unfortunately end up being one because of the $. It doesn't even have to be a lot of $, but I come from a different background then a lot of martial artists in the USA so my opinion is just my opinion...and you know what they say about opinions

My job pays for my lessons now but 10 years ago or so when I was paying, it was $65 for 3-4 hours 5 days a week and I had a key to the gym to train on my own on the weekends, this was in Muay Thai.

There are some systems that I would allready call "MMA": Pancrase/Pankration(some schools do teach it), gaido jutsu, Chute Boxe, Kakutogi schools, Chokushinkai, Daido Juku/Kudo, and others.

I dunno, it sounds like a mcdojo to me but if you're happy with it, stay. 6 months to get your white belt sounds weird since I've never been at a school where I had to "earn" my white belt. I've trained in all the styles you've mentioned at one time or another, too. I think you're starting to question the school if you brought it up, here, go with how you feel.

A little is an understatement, I'm amazed he made it as far as he did. Thank god the UFC is starting to get some good fighters, and not just poster boys like Lidell and Franklin.

Years ago, I trained briefly at a TKD school that did full contact sparring and it was weird. They wore chest protectors, cups, and mouth piece but allowed leg kicks. The weird part is, they weren't wearing shin pads and definitely weren't accustomed to a simple check and ate a lot of my leg kicks. They allowed, sweeps, throws, and takedowns too. It was too bad the instructor wouldn't spar me because it was convenient to where I lived at the time but the only other students sparring me were white belts, which is what I wasn't looking for at the time. Oh yeah, they also allowed all face punches, too..so it was really like a form of kickboxing or xanda? At least the rules they sparred by.

shinjibukan and uechi ryu have some hogen terminology in it, and I'm certain that other styles being taught on Okinawa do too, even if it's Uchinaguchi dialect. Oh yes, Hogen is "Okinawan".

Some styles do use "Okinawan", but most do use "Japanese" because they are Japanese styles.

1. The kinds of gyms you're talking about in Thailand where "poor people" live and just train for free are for fighters. I trained in Por Pramuk 3 months ago, and trained in muangsurin in the 90s before it closed down, so i'm not speaking out of my bum. These people fight because they have to fight, to support there families. In many cases there families send them to these camps as kids because the families can't afford to support them and figure they're better off at a thaiboxing camp. This is a rough way to come up and yes it creates some awesome thaiboxers by the age of 18 but at what cost...an 18 /o with 150-200+ fights in the ring... 2. My second question to this is how can a Shito Ryu instructor be an olympic referee...for what sport? jr. olympics? I competed in Jr. Olympics when I was in Shito Ryu, usankf nationals, etc. USANKF is affiliated with the USOC/united states olympic comittee, but that's as far as it goes. Many Shito Ryu sensei know "all 60 kata"(there are more), the ones I trained under, Thiery, Minakami, Demura, and Hayashi(rip)did, anyway. What I'm saying is, this individual isn't a karate olympic referee. Charging $100 isn't bad at all, if you can't afford it, don't train...this isn't just in the USA, this is world wide. Do you think Poor people in Thailand go and train at kratingdeng, m-150 stadium gym, fairtex, dutch boy, etc? Hardly..Muay Thai can be costly here in the USA. Go train under under Master Toddy privately and $100 a month isn't anything. $20-30 on gloves is a lot? a good pair of Thaiboxing gloves is going to cost you 70-100, easy. Personally, I'm sick of people that complain about paying $100+ a month if they're training 3-5 days a week under an instructor that has actual experience. A legit instructor that can actually fight is hard to find in the USA, trust me on this. I really have no idea why you think that the shito ryu instructor you described is one of the few left that knows all "60 kata". If you want to train in shito ryu, shotokan, etc. go check out your local rec centers and you can probably find an instructor that is a shodan-sandan for relatively cheap. Train in wrestling, boxing, etc. too, these "sports" usually don't cost that much. When you get a job and have the means, seek out more expensive instruction but shop smart. Obviously there are a lot of fakes in the martial art world that ask for a lot more then they are worth but the legit ones do deserve $100-150 a month....in the USA.

this thread isn't too accurate...Josh Barnett was the first person to test positive for steroids after his defeat of Randy Couture in UFC 36. After Barnett Tim Silvia tested positive for roids. Barnett tried to appeal and Silvia admitted to it and was suspended 6 months. On a side note the UFC is trying to throw a lot of events in Texas, USA and is throwing a third card in the UK. Texas, USA and the UK do not require testing for steroids like some other places do. I've fought on some of the same cards as Barnett, Sherk, and Franca and can say from people that I know personally that steroids are a lot more rampant then you probably realize.