Hey there, I'm new to this forum. I came here because I was at one of the sister forums and am into capoeira and am being trained by one of the most combat oriented capoeirista's around. I often discuss martial arts. For some reason I've got this prejudice that karate is some sort of obsolete / ineffective set of techniques. And this is coming from me, someone who doesn't even know to differentiate between the styles of karate. I would like to ask the kareteka's here if they know any combat effective Dutch Karate groups, so that I can adjust my belief and learn to appreciate karate as a whole, or specific branches of karate for it's worth. Thanks.