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I wonder who supplies Wikipedia with the information. The style of Eugue Ryu we once learned had a great deal of Korean influence in it espesially in our kicks. If you look at budokaikarate.net the home page shows the top of our rank certificates the kanji in the pagoda is Korean and translates to Eugue-Ryu there are some Japanese symbols on our certificates also ( a rising sun, dragons with three toes) we have used these certificates since our first school opened here and I assumed that they came here from Lima. So when I read that Eugue Ryu was created in Viet Nam I was surprised. Eugue ryu people seem to be very aloof, so they don't comunicate much. But it's nice to know someone looks in once in a while.

Hey yall I just read on wikipedia.org that eugue ryu was created in Viet Nam. This is something I had not heard befor kind of startled me. I also heard there were some major promotions in Ohio. If so Congratulation's and well done it's not an easy art to move up in.

Spark I think if you want to keep it a secret from your eugue-ryu classmates its up to you but you probably should tell your instructor so he or she can pace your training accordingly and for obvious safty reasons when sparring. Eugue Ryu is a good style for cross training. I've been in the Eugue ryu system for almost eighteen years and its alway's changing. On the street the color of your belt dosn't matter, training and experience does. If your not mature enough to drive your not mature enough to except the responsibility of a Black belt. Belt ranks should be earned through training, ability and knowledge. Seven year olds don't have any of this. Kieran its good to see your still looking in. The Texas school closed recently, to bad.

kieran thank you and your sensei for the information.

I'm curious to see this explaination also, sounds chinese. K.L. do-itashi-mashita. It will be interesting to see what everyone thinks about the way we trained compared to now. And i am only comparing the new schools in our area I think for me it may be tougher now because we have evolved into such a eclectic style ( blind dragon will respond to the word eclectic) that there is a lot more techniques to perfect. We emphisize the importance of tournaments and the free kata where gymnastics plays such an large role. We also sparred a lot. for long periods of time 1 to 1 1/2 hours changing partners frequently physical training was something we did then that I don't see as much of now. at least in the schools around here. Have fun enjoy all karate is good!

Kieran you must be a pleasure for your instructors to teach you apear to understand techniques very well. You can view the yellow book on the budokaikarate.net site, just keep in mind this is history and Eugue-Ryu has evolved greatly from the time this book was printed. I like the old ways Probably because I'm old and understand them better. Have fun! Karate is a way of life. Thanks to Mr. & Mrs. blind dragon for there efforts.

I don't know what yonkyu looks like. I'm certainly glad to know what ni-kyu is like. It would certainly be nice to know about Yamaeugue Sensei and Flowers Sensei. Every one have a happy fourth of July and be safe. Kieran we might find out about yonkyu yet!

We never used the term yakasoku kumite we called it ippon kumite or one step, if yonkyu is similar to yakasoku is there a preset arrangement to the techniques performed, in ippon kumite the instructor used their discretion in choosing the techniques used. When I talked to Sensei Young he described ni-kyu as while stepping at different angles you perform a three series block sequence, but every thing was preset. I also talked to people at the Lima sch. One of the questions asked and not answered was where did Sensei Flowers recieve his training and from who. All I know is he was in Korea. our promotional certificats indicate Korean and Japanese influence. I can't help but ask questions When I find a source of knowledge.

I didn't mean to stop communication for all the Eugue-Ryu Karateka I was just trying to attain more knowledge of the art I love and has been a part of my life for such a long time. I recieved a similar response when I asked about these Kata from a couple of people from Ohio a few years ago, all comunication was severed as if it was a great secret. I'm sorry if I am to inquisitive. I will not post anything further. Kieran hang on to your packet all the writing on it my be important to you someday at least it will have good memories.

I guess that subject has run it's course. I would like to know what katas everyone knows and how to do ni-kyu and yon- kyu. I talked to Sensei Mike Young several years ago by phone and he did his very best to explain them but I'm not capable of retaining this type of instruction I guess. I would like to have a discription of and a practcal application for uchi-uke.

I guess my yellow book isn't as rare as I thought. We also use the yellow book as our basic guidline. Although some of the Promotional criteria has been changed we are required to be 18 to be a shodan instead of 17 we have no stated time in grade to test to the next level its up to our instructor to determine when we are ready to test for promotion. So our yellow book turned to blue. We dont have a lot of Judo schools in our area that I'm aware of. Sensei Williams taught some Aikido. So I guess we are an eclectic art. I'll hear from the Blind Dragon about that statement. I think that for some it is not a way of life its a status thing and for others its an economic thing. Not that its bad to sell your knowledge and hard work if its done with a passion for the art and a need to share. I don't have anything against TKD it must be a good art it's in the Olympics but thy are hard to compete against for students because of the flash and and status of the quick promotion. I'm sorry I never had a chance to meet Sensei Adams. Mr. Hunter do you know our original instructor in K.C. Sensei Terry James.

I hope I havn't over played the value of the yellow book its only a small (18 pages) introduction manual to eugue - ryu. I have talked with the Blind -Dragon and Mrs, Dragon and they may be able to fix up some sort of replica possably of the yellow and blue book intor's if I talk extra nice. ERS how was your re- entry into class, since you guy's don't spar much what do you do to keep your karate spirit well. (tournaments maybe) don't tell your sensei I said that. (joking) Am eager to learn the missing kata thank you for offering to teach us, even a written discription of the kata would be helpful to get us started. We have San-Kyu in our system now it would be interesting to see how much difference there is in the way its done

Its really good to know I'm not alone in being dedicated to an art that is not poular because we are associated with an national organization such as American Kempo or the SKA. It's hard to be independent and be considered an ligitamate art by the large clubs. For me the martial arts is not just a form of fighting but a way of life. The Blind Dragon might know if the texas school is still open or not. I brought up the yellow book because it may be the first book created as a class guide to Eugue-Ryu karate we have evolved in a lot of the promtional guidlines, time in grade we added a yellow belt but we continue to use most of the original kata although not in the original order. We do not know ni-kyu or yon-kyu which is not listed in our book in my book it shows a kata called hachi-wan which I think is naihanchi We would like to know the Kyu kata missing from our list of kata but we have no one to instruct us on them.

I Don't know much about the texas school but if Sensei James is running I'm sure its no piece of cake. The book is something you might get on the first time you attend a class it has a vocabulary promotional breakdown slogans, the karate creed and so on it does end with sincerely Oscar Adams the little yellow book must be 40 years old and one of my greatest treasures. I don't know of any others. K.C. is short for Kansas City we live on the Kansas side Mr. Hess' has his class on the Kansas side the population is approx. 150,000 on the other side of the river is Kansas City, Missouri its pop. is approx. 1,000,000. there is a lot of karate schools.

It took me almost six years of blood, sweat and hard work to reach Shodan. Mr Hess' class seems to be competing with a tkd class at the same community center. The book I refered to was made by Sensei Adams or Possibly by Sensei Flowers? I was just trying to reflect the changes that have been made in some schools ours has lengthened the time it takes to promote and other styles possibly for economic reasons have shortened theirs. I must agree that our intermediate belt ranks in most part were equal to other styles shodans. Perhaps its our five dan system that is the difference in quality. I hope I didn't offend anyone with the information I've given I'm just a student of the art not a critic.