rock beats everything, didn't you know that? now on to the subject at hand...it dosn't matter what i say regarding the grappler/stand-up argument, because everyone will keep their own opinions...despite anything anyone else says on this forum. (sometimes i think these threads are just to start arguments.) lol what i will add is, fighting is stupid, and fights are chaotic. let me explain here a second...what i mean is noone knows what's going to happen once a fight goes down, whatever training you have will hopefully help you and may save your butt. ps. grapplers win fights, strikers win fights, is one better than the other? i guess that depends on the day.