tke010: there is wisdom in these words, but I do not know if I fully agree that waiting for any move will get you beat up After all this is why we as martial arts learn to block, duck, perry, and avoid attacks, is it not? To wait our opening to counter attack. And as you said: to attack with whatever makes itself apperant during the fight. Personally: I feel holds are a better way to go because unlike locks, you do not need to be as percise with the set up. I'm not saying locks do not have their place, and they are some of my more favorite moves. Just in my real life experiences, the holds are easier and quicker to set up. And like with elbow_and_knees, I never have found a time when a hold has not worked for me. As where I have seen locks fail, as I have already stated in this thread.